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> The Republican Senator from Missouri Josh Hawley has introduced a new bill that would make it illegal to import or export artificial intelligence products to
by 9283409232 2y ago
> The Republican Senator from Missouri Josh Hawley has introduced a new bill that would make it illegal to import or export artificial intelligence products to and from China, meaning someone who knowingly downloads a Chinese developed AI model like the now immensely popular DeepSeek could face up to 20 years in jail, a million dollar fine, or both, should such a law pass.
You get less jail time for committing 34 felonies.
- gruez 2y agoup to 20 years. Realistically some kid downloading a model would get probation, and you'd only get 20 years if you were making an entire enterprise out of it. relevant: https://web.archive.org/web/20130208124604/https://www.popehat.com/2013/02/05/crime-whale-sushi-sentence-eleventy-million-years/ https://web.archive.org/web/20130208124604/https://www.popeh...
- pixl97 2y agoYou and I know this isn't how this works. The moment the government wants to punish someone over this they will grab some random kid that's barely done anything and threaten them with the full 20 years to serve as an example to others.
- gruez 2y agoWhere's the kid rotting in federal prison for downloading a mp3? Does the music/movie industry not have good enough lobbyists to make an example of a torrenter?
- pixl97 2y agoI don't know, you tell me what happend to that Aaron guy that ran Reddit?
- gruez 2y agoThanks for proving my point. Schwartz was offered 6 months in a minimum security prison, but he declined it because he specifically wanted a trial. Moreover that was for effectively DoSing JSTOR, a much more serious crime than some guy using a vpn to download an AI model. I don't think 6 months was justified, nor the string of crimes he was charged with, but OP's assertion that "You get less jail time for committing 34 felonies" is still false. >During plea negotiations with Swartz's attorneys, the prosecutors offered to recommend a sentence of six months in a low-security prison if Swartz pled guilty to 13 federal crimes. Swartz and his lead attorney rejected the deal, opting instead for a trial where prosecutors would be forced to justify their pursuit of him.
- dgfitz 2y agoFacts need not apply. We’re righteously indignant for goodness sake! Stop with all the nonsense “facts” and “reality” unless they fit the narrative.
- AlotOfReading 2y agoIt's a shame Swartz was downloading JSTOR articles to share. He could have DoS'd half the internet and gotten away scot-free if he'd been training an ML system instead.
- plagiarist 2y agoYou just need articles of incorporation and all crimes become civil matters.
- SuperNinKenDo 2y agoI think the issue under discussion is whether or not this kind of law is applied gently and with consideration to seriousness, or whether it tends to be used as a club to make an example of people. I think Swartz is seen as an example of it being used as a club to make an example of people.
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- 9283409232 2y agoCapital Records vs Jamie Thomas where Capital Records was awarded around 2 million in damages and Sony vs Joel Tenenbaum. These cases are not uncommon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Records%2C_Inc._v._Thomas-Rasset https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Records%2C_Inc._v._Tho... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_v._Tenenbaum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_v._Tenenbaum
- gruez 2y agoCivil vs criminal. Federal sentencing guidelines don't apply.
- 9283409232 2y agoYou want federal then take a step out and look at all the people who got 10-15 years for carrying an quarter ounce of weed. Sentencing is very selective based on who they want to make an example of and when.
- gruez 2y ago>You want federal then take a step out and look at all the people who got 10-15 years for carrying an quarter ounce of weed. Source? My impression is that in basically all of those cases, it's either because: 1. the guy is a repeat offender and/or on probation 2. the guy decided to wanted to fight to the bitter end and they threw the book at them I'm not saying either are justified, but the implication that someone will get 20 years just because he downloaded deepseek through ollama or whatever is still false.
- ceejayoz 2y ago> the guy is a repeat offender and/or on probation “It was for two or three quarter ounces of weed!” isn’t the defense you imagine.
- spondylosaurus 2y agohttps://nitter.net/ddmeyer/status/1220480907393372160#m https://nitter.net/ddmeyer/status/1220480907393372160#m (The graphs in the first tweet are from page 55 of the linked PDF.)
- jrflowers 2y agoThis is a good point. If one thing didn’t happen then a different unrelated thing cannot happen. You would think that the reason for nobody being in jail for downloading mp3s would be that there is no criminal law against downloading mp3s but actu
- SuperNinKenDo 2y agoPirating is not a criminal offense in America. It is in other parts of the world, like Japan, which, tangentially, is why Japanese piracy is so underground and tends to use different software stacks to the norm, cf. Perfect Dark (the filesharing program, not the game).
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- davidw 2y agoYou get less jail time for an insurrection aimed at overthrowing a free and fair election and beating the shit out of cops while doing so.
- ToucanLoucan 2y agoTruly, what do you even do as the CCP or some other party that would like to spread anti-American propaganda? Literally just point to the actual, factual state of this country and tell me it isn't a rolling joke.
- onemoresoop 2y agoCCP is no stranger to chaos and self sabotage either. China is probably the least affected and most likely still standing in one piece
- theossuary 2y agoThats how most propaganda works. Russia, for example, has been publicizing cases of extreme racism in the US for years to demoralize black people. [1] Hell this has been going on since WWII, when other countries saw how the US treated their black troops, and used it to damage loyalty. [2] Nothing works like the truth, if the US could just stop being so racist it'd be that much harder to divide us. It seems like that's fundementally against our nature though. 1. https://www.npr.org/2017/10/30/560042987/russians-targeted-u-s-racial-divisions-long-before-2016-and-black-lives-matter https://www.npr.org/2017/10/30/560042987/russians-targeted-u... 2. https://perspectives.ushmm.org/item/german-leaflet-for-black-american-soldiers https://perspectives.ushmm.org/item/german-leaflet-for-black...
- epolanski 2y agoUS is a racist country though, at least at the government level. See how BLM and January 6th demonstrations got treated.
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- jdlyga 2y agoIt's kind of like the export controls over strong encryption that we dealt with in the 90s. There used to be separate binaries for Netscape or Mozilla back in the day.
- NotYourLawyer 2y agoYou mean one time-barred, victimless misdemeanor that got transmogrified into 34 felonies by an overzealous political hack of a prosecutor? Lawfare was tried, and it failed. I hope it dies the death it deserves instead of becoming the new normal.
- realreal89 2y agoIf you're an actual attorney, you should be disbarred. Not sorry.
- NotYourLawyer 2y agoDisbarred for being realistic and honest about what a mistake that prosecution was? I voted for Harris BTW.
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- Denkel 2y agoNo, you did not.
- NotYourLawyer 2y agoI did though. It’s possible to support Harris and still be reasonable about the utter failure that the lawfare campaign against Trump has been.
- johnnyanmac 2y agoGa's are still elected. "Hard on Crime" still works as a campaign slogan to this day. We have a deeper societal perception to fix first before we can even think about a justice system focused on rehabilitation. It'd also be nice to remove that certain clause in the 13th amendment while we're at it.
- GrandfatherTECH 2y agoAnd you can invade getting any jail time for 34 felonies if you become a president and strike deals with billionaires!