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I think most US cities are like that in the “downtown to disheveled in 15 minutes” sense.

by dgfitz 2y ago

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cobertos 2y ago
I'm not quite so sure. The amount of demolished blight in Detroit has left this eerie urban meadow feeling to a decent amount of areas in the vicinity of downtown. Walking the empty streets with empty lots and a few normal or a few burnt out houses is peaceful and fun in a way you wouldn't expect. I haven't seen it in a lot of cities.
gcanyon 2y ago
I've lived in Los Angeles, Seattle, D.C., New York, Las Vegas, San Diego, and Boston. I've spent time in Phoenix, San Francisco, Kansas City, Chicago, Miami, Portland, Atlanta, and Orlando. None of them come close to what you see in St. Louis. As a disclaimer, I always tell people, every bad thing you hear about St. Louis is true, and worse than you've heard -- but also that the many, many good things about St. Louis are never mentioned, and that's a shame. It's a long list and the City Museum is high on it. But that said, check out this completely empty block on Delmar and 21st [1], and remember that with the Arch, that's less than 20 blocks from the river. And five blocks north of there is the former site of Pruitt Igoe, which is basically six or so blocks of wilderness behind a chain link fence. I don't doubt there are cities in worse shape (Detroit probably being one of them), but none that I've explored. https://maps.app.goo.gl/ZWrwkK6CytcQRNmU6 https://maps.app.goo.gl/ZWrwkK6CytcQRNmU6
- ghaff 2y ago
  Many cities have bad areas. But few have that 15 minute dynamic. OK maybe SF with the Tenderloin but even Howard St. isn't as bad as it used to be.
  - kevin_thibedeau 2y ago
    Most older pre-war cities have a core that is hollowed out with more affluent areas nearby creating a stark contrast. Newer cities that developed with automobile sprawl have that more diffused.
  - nkrisc 2y ago
    In some smaller cities like Savannah that gradient shift is a matter of blocks.
    - ghaff 2y ago
      I lived in New Orleans for a bit and a dynamic you have there is that you have streets that were the historically nice homes and you have nearby--even adjacent--streets that were where the slaves lived and remnants of that dichotomy can still be seen in a lot of the housing quality.
- notesinthefield 2y ago
  I spent a long weekend in Soulard to see Brittany Howard last year. Outside of the immediate mile radius of the neighborhood, my partner and I constantly asked ourselves “where the hell is everyone?” Ive been everywhere in the US but the Dakotas and never seen a city of STL’s size feel so big yet so empty.

I think most US cities are like that in the “downtown to disheveled in 15 minutes” sense.

by dgfitz 2y ago

I think most US cities are like that in the “downtown to disheveled in 15 minutes” sense.

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cobertos 2y ago

I'm not quite so sure. The amount of demolished blight in Detroit has left this eerie urban meadow feeling to a decent amount of areas in the vicinity of downtown. Walking the empty streets with empty lots and a few normal or a few burnt out houses is peaceful and fun in a way you wouldn't expect. I haven't seen it in a lot of cities.

gcanyon 2y ago

I've lived in Los Angeles, Seattle, D.C., New York, Las Vegas, San Diego, and Boston. I've spent time in Phoenix, San Francisco, Kansas City, Chicago, Miami, Portland, Atlanta, and Orlando. None of them come close to what you see in St. Louis. As a disclaimer, I always tell people, every bad thing you hear about St. Louis is true, and worse than you've heard -- but also that the many, many good things about St. Louis are never mentioned, and that's a shame. It's a long list and the City Museum is high on it. But that said, check out this completely empty block on Delmar and 21st [1], and remember that with the Arch, that's less than 20 blocks from the river. And five blocks north of there is the former site of Pruitt Igoe, which is basically six or so blocks of wilderness behind a chain link fence. I don't doubt there are cities in worse shape (Detroit probably being one of them), but none that I've explored. https://maps.app.goo.gl/ZWrwkK6CytcQRNmU6 https://maps.app.goo.gl/ZWrwkK6CytcQRNmU6

ghaff 2y ago
Many cities have bad areas. But few have that 15 minute dynamic. OK maybe SF with the Tenderloin but even Howard St. isn't as bad as it used to be.
- kevin_thibedeau 2y ago
  Most older pre-war cities have a core that is hollowed out with more affluent areas nearby creating a stark contrast. Newer cities that developed with automobile sprawl have that more diffused.
- nkrisc 2y ago
  In some smaller cities like Savannah that gradient shift is a matter of blocks.
  - ghaff 2y ago
    I lived in New Orleans for a bit and a dynamic you have there is that you have streets that were the historically nice homes and you have nearby--even adjacent--streets that were where the slaves lived and remnants of that dichotomy can still be seen in a lot of the housing quality.
notesinthefield 2y ago
I spent a long weekend in Soulard to see Brittany Howard last year. Outside of the immediate mile radius of the neighborhood, my partner and I constantly asked ourselves “where the hell is everyone?” Ive been everywhere in the US but the Dakotas and never seen a city of STL’s size feel so big yet so empty.