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The next four years are going to be a test of the US Constitution. But when they are up -- and they will be, and people are more angry at Trump than the last ti

The next four years are going to be a test of the US Constitution. But when they are up -- and they will be, and people are more angry at Trump than the last time around the pendulum swings wildly back again, as it always does, what is going to happen to Musk and the rest of them?

vermilingua 2y ago
I expect we’ll see more Italian plumbers coming out of the woodwork before 4 years is up.
- drawkward 2y ago
  I too am a fan of mario brothers!
  - fullshark 2y ago
    OP was making a veiled reference to Luigi Mangione, the man accused of murdering the UHC ceo.
    - drawkward 2y ago
      And I was making an (apparently) even more veiled reference that I approve of the comment to which I responded.
- CaptainFever 2y ago
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  - DangitBobby 2y ago
    Apparently predicting violence is now the same thing as encouraging it.
tines 2y ago
It's not a test of The Constitution, it's a test of our constitution, and we're being exposed as we speak.
- talldayo 2y ago
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  - unification_fan 2y ago
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  - kelnos 2y ago
    Maybe you are, but that's not me, and that's not a ton of people in the comments here (I would say easily more than half) reacting negatively to what Musk and Trump are doing. Stop projecting, and stop making sweeping generalizations about HN posters.
duderific 2y ago
I think it is going to be much harder to get Trump to leave after these four years than the last time. I imagine there will be an amendment on the table soon to do away with the two-term limit, if there isn't already. Or, he may just say "come and get me" and if the military is on his side, he can just continue to rule as he sees fit.
- sirbutters 2y ago
  Key word here is "cannot be elected more than twice". So as long as there is no official election, he is not technically violating the constitution by remaining in power. I'm playing devil's advocate here.
  - DanHulton 2y ago
    Trump is old and is not the leading example of a healthy person. I think there's an entirely reasonable chance that nature takes care of this one for us. That said, I don't think it matters at all. This isn't a Trump problem. Sure, he's the figurehead, but there are ample figureheads waiting in the wings, just as malleable to the alt-reich's needs. They will be more than happy to step in and allow the current dismantling of the USA to continue, and for Something Very Else to be built in its place.
    - kelnos 2y ago
      Yup, exactly. Hell, even if Trump were to die of a heart attack tomorrow, Vance would happily continue the cureent trajectory, and he might even be better at doing so.
      - sirbutters 2y ago
        The cult of personality would die though, with a considerable impact to the regime. We've been predicting the death of orange man for years considering his diet, and yes it's a miracle he's lived this long, but an often understated asset of his is that he doesn't drink an once of alcohol. That can help him survive way past his 2nd term, I think.
louthy 2y ago
That assumes this will end.
kappuchino 2y ago
From the outside (that is europen view) it looks like they're planning that this change in four years - or even two - will not happen. We'll see. A good read would be Survival of the Richest: Escape Fantasies of the Tech Billionaires.
AnimalMuppet 2y ago
I worry more about what will happen to the US then. The backlash is going to be very tempted to fight fire with fire, to fight unconstitutionality with unconstitutionality. Can we get back to a functioning rule of law and a limited government at the end of this? I'm... hesitant.
- kelnos 2y ago
  The problem is that the optimistic approach requires that there's enough left of the government in order to use legal means to stop the catastrophe. I really really hope there will be, but right now I'm worried that's a losing proposition.
yibg 2y ago
This assumes there will be a next time. Sometimes once momentum is allowed to build it's very hard to stop or even slow things down.

vermilingua 2y ago

I expect we’ll see more Italian plumbers coming out of the woodwork before 4 years is up.

drawkward 2y ago
I too am a fan of mario brothers!
- fullshark 2y ago
  OP was making a veiled reference to Luigi Mangione, the man accused of murdering the UHC ceo.
  - drawkward 2y ago
    And I was making an (apparently) even more veiled reference that I approve of the comment to which I responded.
CaptainFever 2y ago
[flagged]
- DangitBobby 2y ago
  Apparently predicting violence is now the same thing as encouraging it.

tines 2y ago

It's not a test of The Constitution, it's a test of our constitution, and we're being exposed as we speak.

talldayo 2y ago
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- unification_fan 2y ago
  [flagged]
- kelnos 2y ago
  Maybe you are, but that's not me, and that's not a ton of people in the comments here (I would say easily more than half) reacting negatively to what Musk and Trump are doing. Stop projecting, and stop making sweeping generalizations about HN posters.

duderific 2y ago

I think it is going to be much harder to get Trump to leave after these four years than the last time. I imagine there will be an amendment on the table soon to do away with the two-term limit, if there isn't already. Or, he may just say "come and get me" and if the military is on his side, he can just continue to rule as he sees fit.

sirbutters 2y ago
Key word here is "cannot be elected more than twice". So as long as there is no official election, he is not technically violating the constitution by remaining in power. I'm playing devil's advocate here.
- DanHulton 2y ago
  Trump is old and is not the leading example of a healthy person. I think there's an entirely reasonable chance that nature takes care of this one for us. That said, I don't think it matters at all. This isn't a Trump problem. Sure, he's the figurehead, but there are ample figureheads waiting in the wings, just as malleable to the alt-reich's needs. They will be more than happy to step in and allow the current dismantling of the USA to continue, and for Something Very Else to be built in its place.
  - kelnos 2y ago
    Yup, exactly. Hell, even if Trump were to die of a heart attack tomorrow, Vance would happily continue the cureent trajectory, and he might even be better at doing so.
    - sirbutters 2y ago
      The cult of personality would die though, with a considerable impact to the regime. We've been predicting the death of orange man for years considering his diet, and yes it's a miracle he's lived this long, but an often understated asset of his is that he doesn't drink an once of alcohol. That can help him survive way past his 2nd term, I think.

louthy 2y ago

That assumes this will end.

kappuchino 2y ago

From the outside (that is europen view) it looks like they're planning that this change in four years - or even two - will not happen. We'll see. A good read would be Survival of the Richest: Escape Fantasies of the Tech Billionaires.

AnimalMuppet 2y ago

I worry more about what will happen to the US then. The backlash is going to be very tempted to fight fire with fire, to fight unconstitutionality with unconstitutionality. Can we get back to a functioning rule of law and a limited government at the end of this? I'm... hesitant.

kelnos 2y ago
The problem is that the optimistic approach requires that there's enough left of the government in order to use legal means to stop the catastrophe. I really really hope there will be, but right now I'm worried that's a losing proposition.

yibg 2y ago

This assumes there will be a next time. Sometimes once momentum is allowed to build it's very hard to stop or even slow things down.