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If that actually was the goal, and if this function were being executed by a legally formed executive branch agency, with non-partisan career employees that hav
by kelnos 2y ago
If that actually was the goal, and if this function were being executed by a legally formed executive branch agency, with non-partisan career employees that have been properly vetted, hired, and granted security clearances, I might be behind this effort.
But that's not what's happening.
It's clear to me their goal is to dismantle as many "leftist" agencies as possible, like environmental protection, labor rights protection, securities laws enforcement, humanitarian aid, etc., and replace them with people who will enrich their friends and families and allow corporations to run roughshod over the rights of regular people.
It is bizarre to me that anyone could lack the critical thinking skills such that they'd accept DOGE's stated goals at face value.
- bende511 2y ago[flagged]
- stainablesteel 2y ago[flagged]
- robinei 2y agoCalling some of those leftist is quite a condemnation of the right.
- anon7000 2y agoConsumer rights, labor rights, and protecting our shared environment should match conservative principles. I agree with improving these agencies and making them work better for people. But it’s absurd think that the representative government shouldn’t be involved in protecting citizens from companies. Fact: most companies have only one incentive. To make more profit. Everything else is secondary. Companies have a very, very, very strong incentive to cut costs and hurt people if it helps their short-term bottom line. In fact, making more money is their only incentive. And there are thousands of examples of abuse, from tech getting shittier, to energy companies massively polluting certain regions, to poor safety records, to ballooning health care costs. That’s a non-partisan fact — abuse from companies hurts everyone. Your opinion is, apparently, that the free market and these companies themselves are better equipped to protect people. Even though there is absolutely ZERO incentive in capitalism for them to do anything that would protect people if it costs money and doesn’t help their bottom line.
- ihumanable 2y agoAh yes, when that famous Democrat, Richard Nixon, put together the EPA in his dastardly leftist plot to destroy America.
- UltraSane 2y agoThe EPA was created because RIVERS WERE STARTING ON FIRE and smog in some cities was killing people.
- stainablesteel 2y agowho is destroying the EPA? or is the EPA doing stupid things like forcing Elon to kidnap seals? Who isn't taking their job seriously exactly? It's hard to tell. Here's an idea, we let the voters decide. Oh right, they did.
- UltraSane 2y agohttps://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/03/climate/trump-epa-workers-zeldin.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/03/climate/trump-epa-workers... https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/04/climate/epa-workers-demotions-trump.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/04/climate/epa-workers-demot... https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/epa-employees-told-dismissed-immediately-rcna190474 https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/epa-employees-t... https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/04/epa-spending-freeze-court-orders-00202253 https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/04/epa-spending-freeze...
- stainablesteel 2y agoout of ~18000 EPA employees only 1000 might be fired for being wasted space? That doesn't seem problematic at all.
- UltraSane 2y agoYou don't think they will stop at just 1000 do you?
- stainablesteel 2y agoi think they'll stop at the appropriate amount, they've been planning this for years and speaking publicly about it for just as long. they're extremely intelligent people who have been at the but-end of all of these agencies and have learned a lot of lessons that could correct or otherwise improve the agencies rather than just destroying them through whatever cartoonishly simple lens you're imagining
- xvector 2y ago[flagged]
- zo1 2y agoCome now, it's obvious why they're not using "non-partisan career employees that have been vetted..." Please stop assuming we're not thinking critically or clearly if we disagree with you, you can't just shout it into the air and manifest it as truth. There are many arguably 110% valid reasons for why they are doing things the way they are. They assume, as rightfully a lot of us do, that this all happened under the watch of these same individuals, and that they're arguably biased (we can't assume they're non-partisan). The problem is that the government is in a state of auto-pilot, and that's what led us here because we're not paying attention. In order to get out of it, we need to try something different and get (arguably) impartial or fresh pairs of eyes on the problem.
- feoren 2y ago> it's obvious why they're not using "non-partisan career employees that have been vetted..." Right, because those people are not loyal to them. > They assume, as rightfully a lot of us do, that this all happened under the watch of these same individuals All what happened? Environmental protection? Consumer protection? Automatic tax filing systems? Those things happened over decades of fighting for the rights of everyday Americans over the rights of a few rich elites. They're written in the blood, sweat, and tears of the downtrodden and exploited. That's exactly why they're being targeted. If you want to find inefficiency, throw a dart almost anywhere within DoD.
- alluro2 2y agoSure, so since it's not clear for now, let's give Trump and Elon the benefit of the doubt, that what they're doing is from the good of their hearts, for the benefit of all the American people. It's not like they're openly corrupt, narcissistic egomaniacs with history of screwing up people for their personal gain or something. Up till now, especially Trump, has made huge strides in bettering the country and wellbeing of the people, let's let him cook.
- kcb 2y agoSurely that just leads to. "We've investigated ourselves and found no fraud."