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Most Scandinavian countries are required to make any communication in public departments (including all coworkers emails) public on request by journalists or an

Most Scandinavian countries are required to make any communication in public departments (including all coworkers emails) public on request by journalists or anyone interested. This is to make any doubts regarding e.g USAID public instead of making such drastic measures necessary. But also make work of an entity such as Doge transparent. They are after all funded by my money (as a taxpayer). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_public_access_to_official_records https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_public_access_to_...

vkou 2y ago
> instead of making such drastic measures necessary. These drastic measures are neither necessary[1] nor legal (Well, they are a necessary step in carrying out a self-coup...) But there's nobody left to prosecute or enforce the law. First they came for the judges and made sure that the courts were stacked... And then they could do what they want, because they have the police, the army, and the courts. [1] It's actually wild how people here are actively arguing for shredding the constitution because the country is carrying a debt. America truly is done.
reaperducer 2y ago
Most Scandinavian countries are required to make any communication in public departments (including all coworkers emails) public on request by journalists or anyone interested. In the U.S., too. In fact, it was the United States that pioneered this in the modern age. But it's all happening so quickly that nobody can keep up with it. And the people who are supposed to take care of these things have been fired. Also bad, when requests are made by legitimate parties, they are being ignored or dismissed by the new regime. Let what's happening in the U.S. serve as a warning to you that no matter what laws you pass, electing lawless people brings lawlessness. And the law you passed cannot help you against people who don't respect the law.
- writebetterc 2y ago
  > In fact, it was the United States that pioneered this in the modern age. This was instituted in Sweden in the year 1766. Source: https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offentlighetsprincipen https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offentlighetsprincipen That's 10 years before the USA declared independence.
  - reaperducer 2y ago
    I guess we have different definitions of "modern" age.
    - writebetterc 2y ago
      >pioneer something when somebody pioneers something, they are one of the first people to do, discover or use something new.
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- rahimnathwani 2y ago
  In the U.S., too. In fact, it was the United States that pioneered this in the modern age. In practice, at least one San Francisco (city/county-level) department and at least one California (state-level) department deliberately makes it difficult to get responsive records, even though the law requires them to not only provide those records, but help the public identify which records might answer the questions they have.
- Clubber 2y ago
  >In the U.S., too. In fact, it was the United States that pioneered this in the modern age. The hack in the US is to just label everything "SECRET," and it's excluded from FOIA.
goldfish3 2y ago
Is this supposed to contrast with the US? You just explained the US Freedom of Information Act of 1967. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_Information_Act_(United_States) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_Information_Act_(... That DOGE is not transparent is because the Musk/Trump administration has moved beyond the rule of law.

vkou 2y ago

> instead of making such drastic measures necessary. These drastic measures are neither necessary[1] nor legal (Well, they are a necessary step in carrying out a self-coup...) But there's nobody left to prosecute or enforce the law. First they came for the judges and made sure that the courts were stacked... And then they could do what they want, because they have the police, the army, and the courts. [1] It's actually wild how people here are actively arguing for shredding the constitution because the country is carrying a debt. America truly is done.

reaperducer 2y ago

Most Scandinavian countries are required to make any communication in public departments (including all coworkers emails) public on request by journalists or anyone interested. In the U.S., too. In fact, it was the United States that pioneered this in the modern age. But it's all happening so quickly that nobody can keep up with it. And the people who are supposed to take care of these things have been fired. Also bad, when requests are made by legitimate parties, they are being ignored or dismissed by the new regime. Let what's happening in the U.S. serve as a warning to you that no matter what laws you pass, electing lawless people brings lawlessness. And the law you passed cannot help you against people who don't respect the law.

writebetterc 2y ago
> In fact, it was the United States that pioneered this in the modern age. This was instituted in Sweden in the year 1766. Source: https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offentlighetsprincipen https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offentlighetsprincipen That's 10 years before the USA declared independence.
- reaperducer 2y ago
  I guess we have different definitions of "modern" age.
  - writebetterc 2y ago
    >pioneer something when somebody pioneers something, they are one of the first people to do, discover or use something new.
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rahimnathwani 2y ago
In the U.S., too. In fact, it was the United States that pioneered this in the modern age. In practice, at least one San Francisco (city/county-level) department and at least one California (state-level) department deliberately makes it difficult to get responsive records, even though the law requires them to not only provide those records, but help the public identify which records might answer the questions they have.
Clubber 2y ago
>In the U.S., too. In fact, it was the United States that pioneered this in the modern age. The hack in the US is to just label everything "SECRET," and it's excluded from FOIA.

goldfish3 2y ago

Is this supposed to contrast with the US? You just explained the US Freedom of Information Act of 1967. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_Information_Act_(United_States) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_Information_Act_(... That DOGE is not transparent is because the Musk/Trump administration has moved beyond the rule of law.