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We are watching a coup in real time. There's no two ways about it. Sigh...

by HumblyTossed 2y ago

Dig1t 2y ago
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- HumblyTossed 2y ago
  As others have said, this is not constitutional.
- ChicagoDave 2y ago
  Because they aren’t following the constitution or our laws. Congress has abdicated it’s responsibilities, but all of this is still illegal.
- rbetts 2y ago
  Voting a new president into office doesn't grant that person extra-constitutional powers. What they say during an election doesn't create those new powers, either.
- tj-teej 2y ago
  Because the US has a constitution. Congress (not the Executive branch) allocates funding and the Executive Branch (in this case a Billionaire who's friendly with the President) cannot decide not to spend the money Congress has already decided to spend.
  - Dig1t 2y ago
    How exactly is it not constitutional? All of this seems like well established precedent. He's advising the president and the president is taking actions. Isn't that well established precedent that's been going on for a long time? Also if you believe it's not constitutional it still doesn't make sense how it can be a "coup".
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indoordin0saur 2y ago
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- HumblyTossed 2y ago
  Oh, no, that's not it. This is a coup. Full stop.
  - indoordin0saur 2y ago
    Why? A majority of voters asked for this. It was pretty explicit they were going to do some serious trimming of the fat. The campaign promises were no secret. Now, if Trump tried to fire him but he somehow still maintained his power within the government then that would be a coup.
    - HumblyTossed 2y ago
      A majority did not. And the ones who voted for Trump didn't ask for someone to illegally access the systems that Elon has access to. This is the kind of stuff they voted to fix. > Now, if Trump tried to fire him but he somehow still maintained his power within the government then that would be a coup. I still think this is what will happen.
      - tines 2y ago
        > I still think this is what will happen. Agreed, but we won't hear about it, a failure of that kind would never make it to the public's awareness.
        indoordin0saur 2y ago
        Trump isn't exactly subtle when he expresses his disappointment in one of his hires. We'll definitely hear about it if it happens. The idea that Musk is somehow acting against Trump's direction is ridiculous though.
racktash 2y ago
I would love just one year of this decade to be uneventful / boring... I used to think people were over-doing it in their criticism of Trump – I thought he was dreadful, but ultimately a contained / containable force. I was even a little optimistic that he might be a disruptive force (inadvertent) that would make other politicians return their focus to everyday, working class concerns. I was naive and stupid. And many people are kidding themselves even now about what's going on. There's nothing normal or business as usual about what's happening in America right now. I'm not qualified to predict where this all ends, but I don't think any of it's good and I don't think this ends after Donald Trump's second term. To the people thinking DOGE is about cutting "wasteful spending", I can only shake my head. What will it take for people to see clearly what's right before them?
- MathMonkeyMan 2y ago
  Each of us feels that we belong to some tribe. If your tribe supports what you see going on, you won't be alarmed by it. Reality is less important than the discourse's impact on your tribe. Besides, maybe everything is fine and the Muskovites are right.
  - racktash 2y ago
    One has to take in the broader picture. The DOGE events are one piece of the puzzle. It was only last week that far-right thugs were pardoned unconditionally by the President. Some people hold conservative views, some liberal and others a mix. People have "tribes", but that's not what this is about. What is happening is not good if you view rule of law and liberal democracy as being good things.
- nxm 2y ago
  Tell me exactly how I will miss USAID and the billions wasted to foreign governments? Be specific please.
  - HumblyTossed 2y ago
    > Be specific please. I have never seen a genuine person end a request like this. It's always to bait someone.
bobsmooth 2y ago
Are you going to do anything about it?
- masterclef 2y ago
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- HumblyTossed 2y ago
  Yes

We are watching a coup in real time. There's no two ways about it. Sigh...

Dig1t 2y ago

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HumblyTossed 2y ago
As others have said, this is not constitutional.
ChicagoDave 2y ago
Because they aren’t following the constitution or our laws. Congress has abdicated it’s responsibilities, but all of this is still illegal.
rbetts 2y ago
Voting a new president into office doesn't grant that person extra-constitutional powers. What they say during an election doesn't create those new powers, either.
tj-teej 2y ago
Because the US has a constitution. Congress (not the Executive branch) allocates funding and the Executive Branch (in this case a Billionaire who's friendly with the President) cannot decide not to spend the money Congress has already decided to spend.
- Dig1t 2y ago
  How exactly is it not constitutional? All of this seems like well established precedent. He's advising the president and the president is taking actions. Isn't that well established precedent that's been going on for a long time? Also if you believe it's not constitutional it still doesn't make sense how it can be a "coup".

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indoordin0saur 2y ago

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HumblyTossed 2y ago
Oh, no, that's not it. This is a coup. Full stop.
- indoordin0saur 2y ago
  Why? A majority of voters asked for this. It was pretty explicit they were going to do some serious trimming of the fat. The campaign promises were no secret. Now, if Trump tried to fire him but he somehow still maintained his power within the government then that would be a coup.
  - HumblyTossed 2y ago
    A majority did not. And the ones who voted for Trump didn't ask for someone to illegally access the systems that Elon has access to. This is the kind of stuff they voted to fix. > Now, if Trump tried to fire him but he somehow still maintained his power within the government then that would be a coup. I still think this is what will happen.
    - tines 2y ago
      > I still think this is what will happen. Agreed, but we won't hear about it, a failure of that kind would never make it to the public's awareness.
      - indoordin0saur 2y ago
        Trump isn't exactly subtle when he expresses his disappointment in one of his hires. We'll definitely hear about it if it happens. The idea that Musk is somehow acting against Trump's direction is ridiculous though.

racktash 2y ago

I would love just one year of this decade to be uneventful / boring... I used to think people were over-doing it in their criticism of Trump – I thought he was dreadful, but ultimately a contained / containable force. I was even a little optimistic that he might be a disruptive force (inadvertent) that would make other politicians return their focus to everyday, working class concerns. I was naive and stupid. And many people are kidding themselves even now about what's going on. There's nothing normal or business as usual about what's happening in America right now. I'm not qualified to predict where this all ends, but I don't think any of it's good and I don't think this ends after Donald Trump's second term. To the people thinking DOGE is about cutting "wasteful spending", I can only shake my head. What will it take for people to see clearly what's right before them?

MathMonkeyMan 2y ago
Each of us feels that we belong to some tribe. If your tribe supports what you see going on, you won't be alarmed by it. Reality is less important than the discourse's impact on your tribe. Besides, maybe everything is fine and the Muskovites are right.
- racktash 2y ago
  One has to take in the broader picture. The DOGE events are one piece of the puzzle. It was only last week that far-right thugs were pardoned unconditionally by the President. Some people hold conservative views, some liberal and others a mix. People have "tribes", but that's not what this is about. What is happening is not good if you view rule of law and liberal democracy as being good things.
nxm 2y ago
Tell me exactly how I will miss USAID and the billions wasted to foreign governments? Be specific please.
- HumblyTossed 2y ago
  > Be specific please. I have never seen a genuine person end a request like this. It's always to bait someone.

bobsmooth 2y ago

Are you going to do anything about it?

masterclef 2y ago
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HumblyTossed 2y ago
Yes