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I was once dragged to a hospital by police because they were looking for a drug smuggler that was not me. They told hospital staff I was a druggie criminal wit
by ty6853 2y ago
I was once dragged to a hospital by police because they were looking for a drug smuggler that was not me. They told hospital staff I was a druggie criminal with drugs up my ass, as I sat there in cuffs.
It is incredibly hard to overcome such accusation by someone in authority. Nurses cursed me, touched me without consent, and several doctors examined me. They ultimately found nothing, and noted no intoxication, but noted in my medical record that they think i am a smuggler anyway, with no explanation as to why.
I am now in medical debt for a non-existent 'overdose' bill that notes no intoxication...
I imagine as soon as some official person insists the identity isn't yours, just as multiple doctors wouldn't believe despite all evidence to contrary, they won't believe you.
- mlinhares 2y agoBeing skeptical about authority figures is always a good thing, it always surprise me to see populations so deferent to them like americans are to law enforcement.
- nadermx 2y agoLaw enforcement in the US has a license to kill with paid leave after. The fear that instills in an entire populace is chilling.
- cm2012 2y ago80% of Americans like the police. https://www.lexipol.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/polls-favorable-unfavorable-view-of-police-bar.png https://www.lexipol.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/polls-fav...
- redleggedfrog 2y ago1 in 5 Americans don't like the police.
- pjc50 2y agoYes, because they assume that the license to kill with paid leave will be used against someone they don't like. It's a real "fix your hearts" situation. Watch this play out in the current fiasco with USAID.
- ranger_danger 2y agoAnd I think in the vast majority of cases, it's only used against actual criminals. You only hear about these sensationalized cases because it's out of the ordinary and not at all common.
- thatcat 2y agoPropaganda is effective
- potato3732842 2y agoWhat were the demographics and what exact questions were they asked? Because I don't see any way to get those numbers unless you basically just survey old people.
- cm2012 2y agoThese numbers are consistent across many surveys and research. Consider the fact that you may be in an information bubble.
- lmm 2y ago> consistent across many surveys and research Sure, but there's a huge systematic bias in how a lot of surveys and research are carried out. If everyone is sampling from e.g. people who answer a phone call, their results will be consistent but hugely biased.
- mlinhares 2y agoYou haven't been to a sports even in the US right? The general population in the US is very much in favor of law enforcement and the more "end of the world" news they consume the more they think there should be MORE law enforcement and they should have even more power.
- lmm 2y ago> You haven't been to a sports even in the US right? I have, as it happens. But many people never do; the people who go to sports games might be a similar group to the people who answer phone calls, but they're not a representative sample of the whole population by any means.
- potato3732842 2y agoLaw enforcement literally everywhere has a license to kill. They dress it up with a bunch of process to keep it from getting used on a whim but that is literally the point of law enforcement, to kill you if you don't comply with the will of the state as enforced through them.
- asdasdsddd 2y agoThis is also the attitude that makes every dumbass think they are above the law.
- mlinhares 2y agoThe law and law enforcement employees are not the same.
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- cactusplant7374 2y agoThey can force you to pay when you don't consent to treatment?
- hansvm 2y agoThey try. Success rates vary, but most people can't afford to fight it even when they're right.
- heavyset_go 2y agoYes
- freehorse 2y agoFor people from most places outside the US, I bet such stories from US's medical system sound totally crazy. It is crazy for a medical system to function like this charging somebody for being involuntarily treated, and even more for no medical cause. What would have happened, to the hospital's part, if they had declared that you were not intoxicated and you should not have been brought to the hospital, and sent you on your way? Would the police have had to justify dragging you to the hospital, and pay for your examination? I suspect that going along with the police may have been the decision with the simplest and most profitable outcome for everybody (apart from you) and that the hospital side was incetivised to go along with police's story rather than against, but I am not sure how things there typically work in such cases.
- DebtDeflation 2y agoThere was a highly publicized case a few years back where the police entered a hospital and ordered a nurse to draw a blood sample for an unconscious patient who had been in a car accident. They had no warrant and she refused per hospital policy (and law). The cops roughed her up pretty bad and arrested her. https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/11/01/561337106/utah-nurse-arrested-for-doing-her-job-reaches-500-000-settlement https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/11/01/561337106...
- FireBeyond 2y agoAlso good to point out that the reason they -rushed- to the hospital to do this was that the person who had hit them was an off-duty cop who was drunk and had run a red light, and they were looking for something, anything, to pin on this guy instead as being responsible, rather than the cop. Said unconscious patient later died, if I recall correctly, too.
- Schiendelman 2y agoAbuse of state power is the one thing I think we should keep the death penalty for. Police who use their power like that should hang.
- mobilene 2y agoSomething similar happened to one of our sons. Unfortunately he has a history of drug use that landed him in legal trouble. The local police recognize him. He had a minor fender bender. The police tested him for alcohol there, clean. But then given history they detained him and took him to the nearest ER for a battery of drug tests -- for which the hospital billed our son, and for which our son is on the hook. It's bonkers.
- freedomben 2y agoThat's despicable. What a clearly grotesque thing for a cop to be able to do, forcing people to involuntarily spend their own money to accomplish police business. If they want the tests, the least they should do is pay for them! Mind if I ask what area he lived in?
- earnestinger 2y agoIs this legal? Everything is done by the book?
- ty6853 2y agoYes see Ashley Cervantes v US, nearly identical case to my circumstances and same people but even worse abuse. She lost as doctors were considered acting as non medical pseudo police for the purposes of challenging the care and considered purely medical actors when challenging the police search. Catch 22 you lose. She was sent bill by same hospital. I contacted her lawyers for my own purposes, they said they'd given up these cases. https://holdcbpaccountable.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/cervantes-v-united-state_response-to-mfsj.pdf https://holdcbpaccountable.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/ce...
- cornholio 2y ago> doctors were considered acting as non medical pseudo police for the purposes of challenging the care What does that mean? They are either providing the services on behalf of the police, so their pseudo employer needs to pay them, or they are medical professionals providing a care you did not consent to or requested, in which case they should charge the party that requested the services, again, the police. In both cases, you were not the contractual beneficiary of the services, so you own nothing. The fact that your blood and orifices are involved is purely incidental, any evidence resulting from this unnecessary medical act can only be used against you, so you would have no reason to want it.
- unification_fan 2y agoHow are people surprised that Luigi Mangione is considered a hero?
- BizarroLand 2y agoYou should talk to a no fee lawyer or three. Financial & Emotional damages can help assuage the anger you have.
- ty6853 2y agoA stronger more egregious nearly identical case was lost against the same people a few years before so lawyers weren't interested.
- BizarroLand 2y agoDid you talk to more than 1 lawyer? Also, try finding the lawyers that ran the previous case. They may be itching for round 2.
- rokhayakebe 2y agoCan you sue?
- debuggerpk 2y agowhy didn't you sue?
- IncreasePosts 2y agoBecause there's probably a lot more to the story, and all the details that have not been provided probably make OP look worse and the police/hospital staff look better.
- seethedeaduu 2y agoBootlicking noises Here is the real reason https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42924145 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42924145 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42924112 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42924112 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42924186 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42924186
- banga 2y agoAuthority bias is very real, very problematic, and very well documented. As a consequence, those in authority must always be held to a high standard. Always doubt an assertion by authority unless accompanied with sufficient evidence.
- jb1991 2y agoGood Lord that’s terrible, what country did this happen in?
- BeFlatXIII 2y agoI hope you never pay it and shoot anyone who tries to collect that debt.
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- fullstop 2y agoWow, it's like if the movie Brazil was a documentary.