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Oh nooo, that will stop everyone from using AI systems. Do European politicians understand that those laws are usually dead? There is no way a law like that ca

Oh nooo, that will stop everyone from using AI systems. Do European politicians understand that those laws are usually dead? There is no way a law like that can be enforced except by large companies. Also, this kind of laws would make Europeans to stay at the loser side of the AI competition as China and mostly every US corporation doesn't care about that.

kandesbunzler 2y ago
European politicians dont understand anything. We are led by utter morons. And redditors here complain about trump, I'd much rather have him than these mouthbreathers we have.
- mattnewton 2y ago
  not to derail us into politics, but with Trump's team I'd take that trade offer for almost any EU nation's representatives in a heartbeat, if for no other reason than they would respect the process and take years to break what the US is now breaking in days.
- naabb 2y ago
  Yeah trump is not a total utter moron, you're totally right, i'd rather have the insurrectionist who hired a gaggle of oligarchs to run the country. that's a much better alternative to people who actually protect your rights and the environment with regulation.
jampekka 2y ago
The usage covering "unacceptable risk" is stuff that's either illegal or heavily regulated already in human operation too. > Also, this kind of laws would make Europeans to stay at the loser side of the AI competition as China and mostly every US corporation doesn't care about that. Not sure that's a game I want to win.
- apwell23 2y ago
  Europe is still riding high on the wealth they stole from the colonies. That well is going to run dry soon.
  - jampekka 2y ago
    Sure. And USA will follow once the dollar dominance wanes. I, for one, welcome our Chinese communist overlords.
    - AlchemistCamp 2y ago
      Both share of global investments denominated in dollars and the US share of world GDP have increased in the past 25 years. A vibrant tech ecosystem is a large part of the reason for both.
- waltercool 2y ago
  And do you think a law will prevent that? The law will only ensure good companies like MistralAI or Black Forest Labs will stay in the shadow. This is same idiocy like the Republican senator who wants to prohibit Deepseek usage in US. About legality, what's the illegal thing AI shouldn't do? Many of that knowledge can be accessible already from books, even how to build weapons or explosives
  - jampekka 2y ago
    It will at least greatly hinder LE's capability to do massive minority report type dragnets, targetted violence incitement campaigns, or grading workers or schoolchildren based on their facial expressions etc extremely nasty stuff. The banned use cases are very specific and concerns systems explicitly designed for such dystopian shit. AI giving advice how to build weapons or explosives is not banned here. The "unacceptable risk" category does not concern companies like MistralAI or Black Forest Labs. This is not the same idiocy.
    - waltercool 2y ago
hkwerf 2y ago
> There is no way a law like that can be enforced except by large companies. Other fields have very similar laws in the EU and there's lots of tiny companies able to comply with those. The risk control required by this law is the same that's required by so many other EU laws. Most companies that make high-risk products have no problem at all implementing that.

kandesbunzler 2y ago

European politicians dont understand anything. We are led by utter morons. And redditors here complain about trump, I'd much rather have him than these mouthbreathers we have.

mattnewton 2y ago
not to derail us into politics, but with Trump's team I'd take that trade offer for almost any EU nation's representatives in a heartbeat, if for no other reason than they would respect the process and take years to break what the US is now breaking in days.
naabb 2y ago
Yeah trump is not a total utter moron, you're totally right, i'd rather have the insurrectionist who hired a gaggle of oligarchs to run the country. that's a much better alternative to people who actually protect your rights and the environment with regulation.

jampekka 2y ago

The usage covering "unacceptable risk" is stuff that's either illegal or heavily regulated already in human operation too. > Also, this kind of laws would make Europeans to stay at the loser side of the AI competition as China and mostly every US corporation doesn't care about that. Not sure that's a game I want to win.

apwell23 2y ago
Europe is still riding high on the wealth they stole from the colonies. That well is going to run dry soon.
- jampekka 2y ago
  Sure. And USA will follow once the dollar dominance wanes. I, for one, welcome our Chinese communist overlords.
  - AlchemistCamp 2y ago
    Both share of global investments denominated in dollars and the US share of world GDP have increased in the past 25 years. A vibrant tech ecosystem is a large part of the reason for both.
waltercool 2y ago
And do you think a law will prevent that? The law will only ensure good companies like MistralAI or Black Forest Labs will stay in the shadow. This is same idiocy like the Republican senator who wants to prohibit Deepseek usage in US. About legality, what's the illegal thing AI shouldn't do? Many of that knowledge can be accessible already from books, even how to build weapons or explosives
- jampekka 2y ago
  It will at least greatly hinder LE's capability to do massive minority report type dragnets, targetted violence incitement campaigns, or grading workers or schoolchildren based on their facial expressions etc extremely nasty stuff. The banned use cases are very specific and concerns systems explicitly designed for such dystopian shit. AI giving advice how to build weapons or explosives is not banned here. The "unacceptable risk" category does not concern companies like MistralAI or Black Forest Labs. This is not the same idiocy.
  - waltercool 2y ago

hkwerf 2y ago

> There is no way a law like that can be enforced except by large companies. Other fields have very similar laws in the EU and there's lots of tiny companies able to comply with those. The risk control required by this law is the same that's required by so many other EU laws. Most companies that make high-risk products have no problem at all implementing that.