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And that's why his stocks are doing fine despite him having alienated a huge chunk of the world with his fascist salutes. Edit for clarity: the "Roman" in "Rom

And that's why his stocks are doing fine despite him having alienated a huge chunk of the world with his fascist salutes. Edit for clarity: the "Roman" in "Roman salute" is based on the idea that the ancient Romans did this salute. Historians have indicated there is no evidence to support this idea. The salute was popularized by the Italian Fascists, who also popularized the idea that it hearkened back to the Romans, which based on modern evidence appears to have been a fabricated narrative. Hitler liked it so he adopted it for the Nazis too. It's a fascist salute, always has been.

Dracophoenix 2y ago
>It's a fascist salute, always has been. Say what one will about Musk, but the salute itself has existed long before Fascism and Nazism. Look up the Bellamy Salute. Much like the swastika and the fasces, the so-called Roman salute does not originate or derive its meaning from the culture or ideology to which it is attributed. The belief that such a salute has always been fascistic, however, is no better than the mythic history concocted for it. Such claims only serve to legitimate the perception that the progenitors and proponents of these ideologies were unique and ingenious. They were not. As with the then-nascent propaganda/advertising industry, they plundered and mangled whatever symbols that could adopt for their own means and purposes.
- basementcat 2y ago
  The Bellamy Salute was similar but not exactly the same. Im sure that if Elon's "gesture" connotes no special meaning, there would be no problem with you making the gesture before your colleagues and customers.
- Zigurd 2y ago
  This is the very essence of pedantic. Do it at work, or in public. In the current context, the meaning, which you would discover if you tried it, is unambiguous. FAFO.

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And that's why his stocks are doing fine despite him having alienated a huge chunk of the world with his fascist salutes. Edit for clarity: the "Roman" in "Rom

by entropicdrifter 2y ago

Dracophoenix 2y ago
>It's a fascist salute, always has been. Say what one will about Musk, but the salute itself has existed long before Fascism and Nazism. Look up the Bellamy Salute. Much like the swastika and the fasces, the so-called Roman salute does not originate or derive its meaning from the culture or ideology to which it is attributed. The belief that such a salute has always been fascistic, however, is no better than the mythic history concocted for it. Such claims only serve to legitimate the perception that the progenitors and proponents of these ideologies were unique and ingenious. They were not. As with the then-nascent propaganda/advertising industry, they plundered and mangled whatever symbols that could adopt for their own means and purposes.
- basementcat 2y ago
  The Bellamy Salute was similar but not exactly the same. Im sure that if Elon's "gesture" connotes no special meaning, there would be no problem with you making the gesture before your colleagues and customers.
- Zigurd 2y ago
  This is the very essence of pedantic. Do it at work, or in public. In the current context, the meaning, which you would discover if you tried it, is unambiguous. FAFO.