FWIW: My family's last 7 Macs have all been refurbs. The $ saved go to purchase additional (non-apple) RAM. The last Mac I had that developed hardware problem

FWIW: My family's last 7 Macs have all been refurbs. The $ saved go to purchase additional (non-apple) RAM. The last Mac I had that developed hardware problem (out-of-warranty) was not one of those refurbs.