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It seems evident that people, by and large, don’t like freezing temperatures.

francisofascii 2y ago
NYC, Boston, and Toronto are still bustling. The uncertainty of work from home with RTO mandates popping up at a moments notice keep people from making the jump.
- lotsofpulp 2y ago
  It is better to use nationwide migration statistics over large periods of time rather than selectively choosing a few metros as a data point. As I understand, it might also simply be biology that older bodies like higher temperatures because it results in less pain.
lesuorac 2y ago
That and you don't get the same pay by living somewhere cheaper.
- pc86 2y ago
  Maybe. Lots of companies don't localize their pay, or localize it based on country. Even those that do if you're comparing, for example, Pittsburgh and NYC/SF, you're unlikely to come out ahead in NYC/SF especially after you factor in state income tax.
nancyminusone 2y ago
I'll take the cold over water shortages, wildfires, earthquakes, hurricanes, or excessive heat any day. I wonder if we'll see more people coming to the rust belt as the climate gets worse.
- pc86 2y ago
  "Just move north" is a common refrain from people who don't understand what climate change means.
  - nancyminusone 2y ago
    Could you expand on this point? Are climate refugees not expected, at least in the short term?
    - pc86 2y ago
      It's a byproduct of the naïve belief that climate change means it gets hotter (and little/nothing else), to which "just move north" is a logical conclusion. The truth is closer to climate change means more extreme weather happens everywhere, and things get hotter up until -- and here's where my knowledge of science may be much less up-to-date -- a critical mass of ice at the poles melts, and which point the temperature plummets. By definition a lot of areas will be hit hard and some areas will be hit less hard but it's not going to be along a north-south axis.
      - Qwertious 2y ago
        IMO it should be called "climate destabilisation".
AngryData 2y ago
I see a lot more people complain about the potential of freezing temperatures than they really are bothered to do anything about it. Ive seen this same thing from many people, but using my mother as an example, she has complained about ice and snow for the past 40 years ive been around, always claimed she wanted to move farther south to not deal with it, but she never has, and has even in the past few years thought about moving even farther North because unless you enjoy winter sports or work outside, you spend most of the winter time indoors where it doesn't actually matter that much.

NYC, Boston, and Toronto are still bustling. The uncertainty of work from home with RTO mandates popping up at a moments notice keep people from making the jump.

lotsofpulp 2y ago
It is better to use nationwide migration statistics over large periods of time rather than selectively choosing a few metros as a data point. As I understand, it might also simply be biology that older bodies like higher temperatures because it results in less pain.

lesuorac 2y ago

That and you don't get the same pay by living somewhere cheaper.

pc86 2y ago
Maybe. Lots of companies don't localize their pay, or localize it based on country. Even those that do if you're comparing, for example, Pittsburgh and NYC/SF, you're unlikely to come out ahead in NYC/SF especially after you factor in state income tax.

nancyminusone 2y ago

I'll take the cold over water shortages, wildfires, earthquakes, hurricanes, or excessive heat any day. I wonder if we'll see more people coming to the rust belt as the climate gets worse.

pc86 2y ago
"Just move north" is a common refrain from people who don't understand what climate change means.
- nancyminusone 2y ago
  Could you expand on this point? Are climate refugees not expected, at least in the short term?
  - pc86 2y ago
    It's a byproduct of the naïve belief that climate change means it gets hotter (and little/nothing else), to which "just move north" is a logical conclusion. The truth is closer to climate change means more extreme weather happens everywhere, and things get hotter up until -- and here's where my knowledge of science may be much less up-to-date -- a critical mass of ice at the poles melts, and which point the temperature plummets. By definition a lot of areas will be hit hard and some areas will be hit less hard but it's not going to be along a north-south axis.
    - Qwertious 2y ago
      IMO it should be called "climate destabilisation".

AngryData 2y ago

I see a lot more people complain about the potential of freezing temperatures than they really are bothered to do anything about it. Ive seen this same thing from many people, but using my mother as an example, she has complained about ice and snow for the past 40 years ive been around, always claimed she wanted to move farther south to not deal with it, but she never has, and has even in the past few years thought about moving even farther North because unless you enjoy winter sports or work outside, you spend most of the winter time indoors where it doesn't actually matter that much.