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Yep! Broad. The new EU way. Leave everything open to interpretation so that can slapp you if they don't like you.

by hcfman 2y ago

belter 2y ago
Nope, but nice try... "Given its abstract nature, the legislation contains areas that are yet to be fully defined. These are expected to be elaborated on through delegated and implementing acts, guidelines by the EU institutions, as well as harmonized standards developed by European Standardization Organizations. As a result, businesses can expect to receive more detailed guidance in the near future." Scope of the AI Act: "Furthermore, the recitals – which clarify the AI Act’s regulatory text – specify that the definition of AI does not include basic traditional software or purely rule-based programming created by humans for automatic operations. Despite this, the definition remains wide, covering the majority of systems available on the market. ...Finally, the Commission has been tasked with developing guidelines for applying the definition of an AI system, which grant further guidance of the defining aspects of AI under this regulation." https://www.deloitte.com/content/dam/assets-zone2/nl/en/docs/services/legal/2024/digital-regulations-eu-ai-act.pdf https://www.deloitte.com/content/dam/assets-zone2/nl/en/docs...
- robertlagrant 2y ago
  The irony is: AI is a silly thing to regulate. Why not regulate any software system that gives a bad outcome? Who cares about the implementation? The only reason seems to be so the EU can claim to be a leader in AI regulation; a dubious accolade at best.
  - p0w3n3d 2y ago
    On one hand I'm scared of my CV for example being rejected by some LLM. On the other hand I doubt people in EU Parl have any (enough?) technical knowledge to create law regarding this matter
    - robertlagrant 2y ago
      But still: something scraping your CV for keywords, or failing to transform it into whatever evil format the recruiter requires, isn't AI, but might still reject your CV or cause it to be rejected. What's special about AI?
      - snakeyjake 2y ago
        >What's special about AI? VC firms have brainwashed people into thinking LLMs are "I" when really, they are XOR'ing GIGO machines. Because executives, everywhere it seems, are gullible enough to be tricked into believing that A(sigh)I isn't a colossal waste of money and electricity, they are throwing it at every problem, everywhere. This means that a fucking stupid framework of frameworks designed to turn electricity into heat via compute is being inserted into every single aspect of commerce, banking, law enforcement, warfare, business decision making, and yes, hiring. The difference between scraping a resume for keyworks and having an LLM evaluate it is that you can look at the list of keywords and understand what it is happening. A list of keywords is comprehensible and reproducible. You can subpoena a list of keywords. You can modify and control a list of keywords. You can legislate the requirement or forbidding of keyword criteria. An LLM is just a tunnel of sewage that pours shit out the other end, a black box, a mystery. But A(sigh)I excels at letting people be lazy and generating an endless stream of dreck designed to addict the gullible so it is going to take over the world. At least the EU is trying to slow it.
  - n4r9 2y ago
    > Who cares about the implementation? I guess one difference between LLM-style AI and most other systems is that when other systems produce the wrong output you can usually step through the code, figure out why, and be confident that the same issue won't happen again.
- greenavocado 2y ago
  This doesn't change the fact that the legislation is arbitrary until it is more thoroughly defined. And if they don't like you enough they will make sure to clarify that area first

Yep! Broad. The new EU way. Leave everything open to interpretation so that can slapp you if they don't like you.

by hcfman 2y ago

Yep! Broad. The new EU way. Leave everything open to interpretation so that can slapp you if they don't like you.

Nope, but nice try... "Given its abstract nature, the legislation contains areas that are yet to be fully defined. These are expected to be elaborated on through delegated and implementing acts, guidelines by the EU institutions, as well as harmonized standards developed by European Standardization Organizations. As a result, businesses can expect to receive more detailed guidance in the near future." Scope of the AI Act: "Furthermore, the recitals – which clarify the AI Act’s regulatory text – specify that the definition of AI does not include basic traditional software or purely rule-based programming created by humans for automatic operations. Despite this, the definition remains wide, covering the majority of systems available on the market. ...Finally, the Commission has been tasked with developing guidelines for applying the definition of an AI system, which grant further guidance of the defining aspects of AI under this regulation." https://www.deloitte.com/content/dam/assets-zone2/nl/en/docs/services/legal/2024/digital-regulations-eu-ai-act.pdf https://www.deloitte.com/content/dam/assets-zone2/nl/en/docs...

robertlagrant 2y ago
The irony is: AI is a silly thing to regulate. Why not regulate any software system that gives a bad outcome? Who cares about the implementation? The only reason seems to be so the EU can claim to be a leader in AI regulation; a dubious accolade at best.
- p0w3n3d 2y ago
  On one hand I'm scared of my CV for example being rejected by some LLM. On the other hand I doubt people in EU Parl have any (enough?) technical knowledge to create law regarding this matter
  - robertlagrant 2y ago
    But still: something scraping your CV for keywords, or failing to transform it into whatever evil format the recruiter requires, isn't AI, but might still reject your CV or cause it to be rejected. What's special about AI?
    - snakeyjake 2y ago
      >What's special about AI? VC firms have brainwashed people into thinking LLMs are "I" when really, they are XOR'ing GIGO machines. Because executives, everywhere it seems, are gullible enough to be tricked into believing that A(sigh)I isn't a colossal waste of money and electricity, they are throwing it at every problem, everywhere. This means that a fucking stupid framework of frameworks designed to turn electricity into heat via compute is being inserted into every single aspect of commerce, banking, law enforcement, warfare, business decision making, and yes, hiring. The difference between scraping a resume for keyworks and having an LLM evaluate it is that you can look at the list of keywords and understand what it is happening. A list of keywords is comprehensible and reproducible. You can subpoena a list of keywords. You can modify and control a list of keywords. You can legislate the requirement or forbidding of keyword criteria. An LLM is just a tunnel of sewage that pours shit out the other end, a black box, a mystery. But A(sigh)I excels at letting people be lazy and generating an endless stream of dreck designed to addict the gullible so it is going to take over the world. At least the EU is trying to slow it.
- n4r9 2y ago
  > Who cares about the implementation? I guess one difference between LLM-style AI and most other systems is that when other systems produce the wrong output you can usually step through the code, figure out why, and be confident that the same issue won't happen again.
greenavocado 2y ago
This doesn't change the fact that the legislation is arbitrary until it is more thoroughly defined. And if they don't like you enough they will make sure to clarify that area first