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Might be moot, but the shutdown email mentions "spam, scam or deceptive practices", not just "reasons". Without any context about the owner of the channel, the

Might be moot, but the shutdown email mentions "spam, scam or deceptive practices", not just "reasons". Without any context about the owner of the channel, the reader has no way to know how unfair the shutdown is. I understand from the HN thread that the dev is well known and that the shutdown seems unfair - but it's always hard to share the outrage in this situation. Best of luck to the channel's owner - let's hope the appeal ends up in front of a human being. Now, let's all go back on youtube, to watch suggested videos about fake news interspersed with ads for crypto scam.

MathMonkeyMan 2y ago
I've had good luck with Firefox, ublock origin, and sponsorblock. Can't remember the last time I saw an ad, automated or otherwise. There's also an extension that changes your default page to "subscriptions" instead of "home." I do recall using the ad blocker to hide the side panel of video recommendations, too. At least for now, youtube really is a free ride for me.
- Mr_Bees69 2y ago
  Have you ever tried out librewolf? It's blue!
afh1 2y ago
YouTube is notorious for that, though. With that context, this is one more instance, showing that the issue persists. I remember a German youtuber tried to unionize creators through IG Metall, though there doesn't seem to be any news in years so I'm not sure it went anywhere. https://fairtube.info/en/seite/press-coverage-of-fairtube/ https://fairtube.info/en/seite/press-coverage-of-fairtube/
saltserv 2y ago
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secondcoming 2y ago
I'm astounded by how crap the ads on Youtube now are. Back when the Adcopalypse happened they stated they were going to clean up the ads shown, but now it's just AI generated crap.
Matt_Cutts 2y ago
For what it's worth, I pinged someone about it.
squigz 2y ago
This is a pretty good comment, except I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make with the last line.
- phtrivier 2y ago
  I wanted to highlight the irony of youtube closing a channel for "scams", given that about half of the few ads I still see in youtube are for crypto scams, fad diets, fake cancer medecines, etc... Thank FSM for ad blockers and nebula.
scotty79 2y ago
> but it's always hard to share the outrage in this situation I'm not really sure what makes raging about this so hard for you. Current YouTube practice is equivalent to locking up a citizen for "thievery" and "reasons" without providing any evidence of such at any point. And sure, few hundreds years ago this course of action would fly. But today we advanced a bit and demand that our justice is a bit more just. I don't see why we should demand less of the corporations. Or do we just accept their role as a pocket of feudalism in modern society? Accepting undemocratic small planned economies of corporations is one thing, accepting customers to be their serfs is another.
- MichaelZuo 2y ago
  How does this make sense when zero percent of uploaded youtube videos are owned by the creators? It’s not like they are paintings loaned to an art gallery, where the gallery might have some obligations to preserve, return, etc. From what I understand there’s no liability even if the board of directors decide to shut down Youthbe tomorrow and permanently delete every uploaded video.
  - scotty79 2y ago
    > How does this make sense when zero percent of uploaded youtube videos are owned by the creators? Says who and why should citizens of democratic countries listen to them? YouTube is a staple. If you reach this size, there are gonna be some rules. At least there should be. > From what I understand there’s no liability even if the board of directors decide to shut down Youthbe tomorrow and permanently delete every uploaded video. They are welcomed to do that. But deciding to refuse service on arbitrary grounds to one client is something they shouldn't be allowed to do. Otherwise why not ban people because they are Jewish or gay or just at random to sow fear? When you offer your services to the public then you shouldn't be allowed to refuse service to any member of the public without a very good and specific reason.
    - MichaelZuo 2y ago
      But even new legislation, assuming it can be rammed through Congress within your lifetime, can’t retroactively apply to uploaded videos which already were copied in fact…?
pacifika 2y ago
You could have looked up Sinevibes, they have a good internet presence.

MathMonkeyMan 2y ago

I've had good luck with Firefox, ublock origin, and sponsorblock. Can't remember the last time I saw an ad, automated or otherwise. There's also an extension that changes your default page to "subscriptions" instead of "home." I do recall using the ad blocker to hide the side panel of video recommendations, too. At least for now, youtube really is a free ride for me.

Mr_Bees69 2y ago
Have you ever tried out librewolf? It's blue!

afh1 2y ago

YouTube is notorious for that, though. With that context, this is one more instance, showing that the issue persists. I remember a German youtuber tried to unionize creators through IG Metall, though there doesn't seem to be any news in years so I'm not sure it went anywhere. https://fairtube.info/en/seite/press-coverage-of-fairtube/ https://fairtube.info/en/seite/press-coverage-of-fairtube/

saltserv 2y ago

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secondcoming 2y ago

I'm astounded by how crap the ads on Youtube now are. Back when the Adcopalypse happened they stated they were going to clean up the ads shown, but now it's just AI generated crap.

Matt_Cutts 2y ago

For what it's worth, I pinged someone about it.

squigz 2y ago

This is a pretty good comment, except I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make with the last line.

phtrivier 2y ago
I wanted to highlight the irony of youtube closing a channel for "scams", given that about half of the few ads I still see in youtube are for crypto scams, fad diets, fake cancer medecines, etc... Thank FSM for ad blockers and nebula.

scotty79 2y ago

> but it's always hard to share the outrage in this situation I'm not really sure what makes raging about this so hard for you. Current YouTube practice is equivalent to locking up a citizen for "thievery" and "reasons" without providing any evidence of such at any point. And sure, few hundreds years ago this course of action would fly. But today we advanced a bit and demand that our justice is a bit more just. I don't see why we should demand less of the corporations. Or do we just accept their role as a pocket of feudalism in modern society? Accepting undemocratic small planned economies of corporations is one thing, accepting customers to be their serfs is another.

MichaelZuo 2y ago
How does this make sense when zero percent of uploaded youtube videos are owned by the creators? It’s not like they are paintings loaned to an art gallery, where the gallery might have some obligations to preserve, return, etc. From what I understand there’s no liability even if the board of directors decide to shut down Youthbe tomorrow and permanently delete every uploaded video.
- scotty79 2y ago
  > How does this make sense when zero percent of uploaded youtube videos are owned by the creators? Says who and why should citizens of democratic countries listen to them? YouTube is a staple. If you reach this size, there are gonna be some rules. At least there should be. > From what I understand there’s no liability even if the board of directors decide to shut down Youthbe tomorrow and permanently delete every uploaded video. They are welcomed to do that. But deciding to refuse service on arbitrary grounds to one client is something they shouldn't be allowed to do. Otherwise why not ban people because they are Jewish or gay or just at random to sow fear? When you offer your services to the public then you shouldn't be allowed to refuse service to any member of the public without a very good and specific reason.
  - MichaelZuo 2y ago
    But even new legislation, assuming it can be rammed through Congress within your lifetime, can’t retroactively apply to uploaded videos which already were copied in fact…?

pacifika 2y ago

You could have looked up Sinevibes, they have a good internet presence.