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Said barriers to AI are - not allowing the use of AI for social scoring, precrime and other nefarious profiling methods - for high risk applications, requiring

by bux93 2y ago

Said barriers to AI are - not allowing the use of AI for social scoring, precrime and other nefarious profiling methods - for high risk applications, requiring a quality system. You know, like the kind of quality system you need in place if you make food for human consumption, produce light bulbs, or any of a myriad of other production processes. Somehow the people doing catering at my employer's canteen manage to comply with that, but it's too complicated for tech bros. https://artificialintelligenceact.eu/high-level-summary/ https://artificialintelligenceact.eu/high-level-summary/

wtcactus 2y ago
I think you fail to realize that's not the utilization end goal that's the problem with regulations, but the fact that you need to put a lot of checks and bureaucrats overseeing the development process to make sure "the rules are being followed". Regulation for building a house in Europe are also totally valid, and what kind of person wouldn't follow them, right? But then you need to send a pre project for approval that takes 6 months (and pay for it), then during construction you need to get a local government worker to check the progress several times and see if the rules are being followed (and pay for it) and after you finish the house, you need to wait up to 12 months for a government official to come inspect the house and declare that your house follows all their rules (and pay for it) and you are finally allowed to live in it. So no, let's not try and declare that these rules are obvious, and great, and we need them and what kind of people wouldn't want to follow them? When in fact, these rules mean that at every single step, you are going to wait for the government to bless what you tell them you want to do and then to make you wait again while they check if you did what they allowed you to do. P.S. do you even have any idea of what kind of hurdles small and big companies in Europe have to go every time they need to do something just because of personal data protection rules?
- tmtvl 2y ago
  The waiting time could be due to government agencies being overloaded due to shortages of personnel, but hiring more people costs money and people wouldn't like taxes to go up. Also consider this: petrochem companies would have an easier time if they were allowed to dump waste into rivers instead of having to jump hurdles to process it properly. That doesn't mean that environmental regulation is bad and we should do away with it to let them innovate more.
  - wtcactus 2y ago
    > The waiting time could be due to government agencies being overloaded due to shortages of personnel, but hiring more people costs money and people wouldn't like taxes to go up. "The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy"

by bux93 2y ago

wtcactus 2y ago

I think you fail to realize that's not the utilization end goal that's the problem with regulations, but the fact that you need to put a lot of checks and bureaucrats overseeing the development process to make sure "the rules are being followed". Regulation for building a house in Europe are also totally valid, and what kind of person wouldn't follow them, right? But then you need to send a pre project for approval that takes 6 months (and pay for it), then during construction you need to get a local government worker to check the progress several times and see if the rules are being followed (and pay for it) and after you finish the house, you need to wait up to 12 months for a government official to come inspect the house and declare that your house follows all their rules (and pay for it) and you are finally allowed to live in it. So no, let's not try and declare that these rules are obvious, and great, and we need them and what kind of people wouldn't want to follow them? When in fact, these rules mean that at every single step, you are going to wait for the government to bless what you tell them you want to do and then to make you wait again while they check if you did what they allowed you to do. P.S. do you even have any idea of what kind of hurdles small and big companies in Europe have to go every time they need to do something just because of personal data protection rules?

tmtvl 2y ago
The waiting time could be due to government agencies being overloaded due to shortages of personnel, but hiring more people costs money and people wouldn't like taxes to go up. Also consider this: petrochem companies would have an easier time if they were allowed to dump waste into rivers instead of having to jump hurdles to process it properly. That doesn't mean that environmental regulation is bad and we should do away with it to let them innovate more.
- wtcactus 2y ago
  > The waiting time could be due to government agencies being overloaded due to shortages of personnel, but hiring more people costs money and people wouldn't like taxes to go up. "The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy"