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Can't believe this is flagged.
by jonnycomputer 2y ago
Can't believe this is flagged.
- relaxing 2y agoHonest question: how do things get unflagged? Do users at some level gain vouch privileges?
- johnnyanmac 2y agoThey 99.99999% of the time don't. I think only dang has that ability and he won't really step in unless there are some truly rouge actors.
- dang 2y ago> unless there are some truly rouge actors It's more a question of the article. What we're looking for includes: is the article not too repetitive of recent discussions? does it contain significant new information? is there a reasonable chance that it could support a substantive, thoughtful discussion, or is it too flamebaity/provocative? that kind of thing. Here's a subthread from yesterday where I went into this in depth: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42911011 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42911011. Past explanations: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20turn%20off%20flags&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que.... If anyone has a question that isn't answered at those links, I'd be happy to take a crack at it.
- archagon 2y agoCan you tell if there's a concerted effort to flag Musk and DOGE related threads? I've seen threads go from nothing to [flagged][dead] in the course of 30 seconds after being up for 40 minutes, suggesting very spiky flagging behavior. This has come up a few times recently, for example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42904148 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42904148 (Of course, I could just be misunderstanding how flagging works on the site... maybe the state machine has to transition in order from regular -> [flagged][dead] -> [flagged] after vouching?)
- dang 2y agoI haven't looked specifically at DOGE stories but from my general perspective, this is the same as what we see with all the hottest/most divisive topics—that is, it's the same with Musk in general, Trump in general, and Israel/Gaza, to name perhaps the 3 most in-that-category topics.
- m2024 2y ago[dead]
- justin66 2y agoIf you use the vouch feature much, eventually they take it away from you. Same with upvoting and downvoting, but it all happens silently so most people don't notice.
- relaxing 2y agoThat’s funny, I thought at one point I saw vouch link for comments, but no longer. I doubt I used it more than once. Does that mean it got taken away?
- justin66 2y agoI couldn't say for sure but... I think so? It's the same for me, I used to have it and now I don't.
- dang 2y agoIn your case that was true. General explanation here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42902318 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42902318. I didn't see much misuse of vouching in your recent history so I've removed that penalty from your account now. But please make sure that the comments you're vouching for are respecting the site guidelines (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html).
- zfg 2y agoWhy don't you make such things transparent and clear on a user's account so they can see what you've done? You're keen on reviewing a user's recent history, but provide no corresponding transparency to the user on what you've done.
- dang 2y agoBecause I'm scared of how much extra work it would create, and because it's the sort of frog-boiling bureaucratism that it is in the spirit of this site to avoid. It's easy for me to imagine that one day I would wake up and be horrified by the systems we had inadvertently let sprout up around ourselves. HN works best with informal systems, not formal ones. The informal contract around transparency is: people are welcome to ask questions and we always answer them, but we don't formally publish a moderation log or anything like that (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20moderation%20log&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...).
- minimaxir 2y agoIf a post is flagged-but-you-can-still-comment, then it can't be vouched. If a post is flagkilled w/ comments disabled, then you can typically vouch.
- dredmorbius 2y agoIt's possible to vouch for stories and comments. You can also email moderators at hn@ycombintor.com to request unflagging. I do that occasionally, with mixed results. (I've come to know which are long shots, and typically concede the point, but at least make the attempt.)
- dredmorbius 2y agoCorrection: vouch only works on comments. For stories, email mods as discussed elsewhere and in both the HN FAQ & Guidelines: FAQ: <https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html> Guidelines: <https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html> Both are linked at the bottom of most HN pages.
- bathtub365 2y agoIt looks like there are people flagging literally every story related to DOGE.
- johnnyanmac 2y agoI'm not. Pretty sure at this point that anything about Musk that doesn't involve Tesla or SpaceX is just being impulsed flagged.
- ddalex 2y agoTime to flag SpaceX and Tesla too...
- johnnyanmac 2y agoSpaceX would be a shame, but it's not like any tesla news these days makes did productive discussion.
- latexr 2y agoNot sure that’s necessary. I don’t recall the last Tesla story I saw that was positive.
- imp0cat 2y agoWell, they brought the turn signal stalks back. That should count as a positive change.
- camillomiller 2y agoAll stories about Musk’s coup are. Disgusting. Where is dang?
- Tadpole9181 2y ago[flagged]
- ryandrake 2y agoHe's just one guy, presumably doing his best to keep up. My guess is that HN's flagging system was designed with good faith actors in mind and is vulnerable to organized brigades using it as a mega-downvote to bury stories critical of Musk.
- segasaturn 2y agoOf course it's flagged, this site is an altar to worship at the feet of the American oligarchy. It's as rotten as the rest of Silicon Valley. As JWZ put it: "A venture capital company's fan club, finance-obsessed manchildren making the world worse" Slightly NSFW source: https://cdn.jwz.org/images/2024/hn.png https://cdn.jwz.org/images/2024/hn.png
- dang 2y agoI turned the flags off on this story 24 minutes before you posted this. Care to revise your view?
- segasaturn 2y agoThanks for unflagging it Dang, I wish I could have seen it yesterday.
- dang 2y agoI didn't see it yesterday either, otherwise I would have turned the flags off sooner. But thanks for the kind reply—I confess I was expecting something else! Edit: incidentally, (and not directing this at you personally!), if even one of the commenters spending their time complaining about flags on HN had let us know about this submission at hn@ycombinator.com, this would probably have happened earlier. I say "probably" because I haven't processed all the emails from the last 12 hours yet.
- dredmorbius 2y agoFor those sending emails: - Include the post item in your subject line. That would be "42922647" for this particular story. - Include some idea of what the problem is. For example, for a flagged story I'd have "vouch" as the first word of my subject, followed by the article title. - I typically include the full article link (in body) and title (in subject) as insurance against my own fat-finger-fumbling. - A brief description of the problem. E.g., "I'd like to vouch for this article". My own typical emails are for titles (frequent), link indirection, preferred sources, and occasional mentions of flagrant violations of HN comment guidelines (flagging tends to pick those up most of the time). For the latter, you can use the "replies" endpoint to see if a mod has previously responded to a given userID, e.g.: For dang replying to me: <https://news.ycombinator.com/replies?id=dredmorbius&by=dang https://news.ycombinator.com/replies?id=dredmorbius&by=dang> (Yes, there's an admonishment in there if you dig back far enough, and I remember it.)
- nailer 2y agoWhy? The article is provably false - these are demonstrably not inexperienced engineers.
- andyg_blog 2y agoPlease elaborate? I define experience in terms of mostly "time" spent on something. And I consider any engineer with less than 5 yrs of experience as "inexperienced" regardless of whether they are talented or not. I've met many talented, but inexperienced engineers who still needed redirecting.
- nailer 2y agoWhat amount of time do you think it took to divise a combination of advanced imaging techniques and machine learning to decode the Herculaneum scroll?
- indoordin0saur 2y agoPure political posts are usually flagged. Go to Reddit.
- anigbrowl 2y agoYou just got here last year. This place has always been political.
- indoordin0saur 2y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html It's in the guidelines that politics is not on topic here
- anigbrowl 2y agoThis is evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. I encourage you to use the search function or one of the various semantic tools built on top of HN to see how these issues are discussed historically.