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Chinese denialism over Taiwan is really, really demented. It's not that they just claim Taiwan - they pretend they already own it, and stick their fingers in th

Chinese denialism over Taiwan is really, really demented. It's not that they just claim Taiwan - they pretend they already own it, and stick their fingers in their ears if you point out facts on the ground. I suppose they did the same with Mongolia, until they couldn't.

fsckboy 2y ago
ok, but that didn't answer my question.
dixie_land 2y ago
Funny you mentioned Mongolia. Republic of China (Taiwan) still recognize it as part of its territory (together with mainland China). It is the communist that ceded a lot of territory to the Soviet Union and the puppet state of Mongolia to appease the USSR by having a buffer between it and china
- LAC-Tech 2y ago
  But that's mainly due to how the PRC operates, right? Like when the PRC threatened invasion when the UK wanted Hong Kong to elect its own leaders, then later they can turn around and say "the British never even let the Hong Kong people vote". Some with Taiwan / R.O.C and it's territorial claims.
hackerdues 2y ago
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- int_19h 2y ago
  They are not physically in control of Taiwan, so no, they haven't "won the war" in that respect. Not that it matters, because legitimacy of holding territory is not based on winning wars.
  - hackerdues 2y ago
    > They are not physically in control of Taiwan, so no, they haven't "won the war" in that respect. They won the civil war, just like the vietnamese won their war of independence against france. It's just that china, like vietnam, needs to win another war. The war against the US to fully liberate their nation like vietnam did. > Not that it matters, because legitimacy of holding territory is not based on winning wars. Sure it is. It's the wars we won against britain, spain, mexico, japan, etc that gained all our territory. You think spain gave up florida, mexico gave up texas and japan gave up the pacific islands because they were feeling generous? Winning wars is what ultimately decides who owns what. The past 500 years has been europeans winning wars and stealing land all over the world. Actually, all of human history is people taking territory by force. Actually, this also applies to lions, wolves and ants. The reason china doesn't control taiwan is because they chickened out and decided not to fight the US for taiwan. The chinese should look to india for some inspiration. Know why goa is part of india again? India forcibly took it back. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Goa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Goa
    - account42 2y ago
      So in summary, China lost the war for Taiwan. The fact that they may or may not start another one over the territory which they may or may not win is irrelevent - they do NOT control Formosa or any of the smaller islands around it at this point. So yes, pretending that Taiwan does not exist when anyone who would travel there can clearly see otherwise is denialism.

fsckboy 2y ago

ok, but that didn't answer my question.

dixie_land 2y ago

Funny you mentioned Mongolia. Republic of China (Taiwan) still recognize it as part of its territory (together with mainland China). It is the communist that ceded a lot of territory to the Soviet Union and the puppet state of Mongolia to appease the USSR by having a buffer between it and china

LAC-Tech 2y ago
But that's mainly due to how the PRC operates, right? Like when the PRC threatened invasion when the UK wanted Hong Kong to elect its own leaders, then later they can turn around and say "the British never even let the Hong Kong people vote". Some with Taiwan / R.O.C and it's territorial claims.

hackerdues 2y ago

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int_19h 2y ago
They are not physically in control of Taiwan, so no, they haven't "won the war" in that respect. Not that it matters, because legitimacy of holding territory is not based on winning wars.
- hackerdues 2y ago
  > They are not physically in control of Taiwan, so no, they haven't "won the war" in that respect. They won the civil war, just like the vietnamese won their war of independence against france. It's just that china, like vietnam, needs to win another war. The war against the US to fully liberate their nation like vietnam did. > Not that it matters, because legitimacy of holding territory is not based on winning wars. Sure it is. It's the wars we won against britain, spain, mexico, japan, etc that gained all our territory. You think spain gave up florida, mexico gave up texas and japan gave up the pacific islands because they were feeling generous? Winning wars is what ultimately decides who owns what. The past 500 years has been europeans winning wars and stealing land all over the world. Actually, all of human history is people taking territory by force. Actually, this also applies to lions, wolves and ants. The reason china doesn't control taiwan is because they chickened out and decided not to fight the US for taiwan. The chinese should look to india for some inspiration. Know why goa is part of india again? India forcibly took it back. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Goa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Goa
  - account42 2y ago
    So in summary, China lost the war for Taiwan. The fact that they may or may not start another one over the territory which they may or may not win is irrelevent - they do NOT control Formosa or any of the smaller islands around it at this point. So yes, pretending that Taiwan does not exist when anyone who would travel there can clearly see otherwise is denialism.