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I dont care about Biden and think that it is a disgrace that he pardoned his family. But I did follow the Ukraine story when it broke in 2016 (I think) and it s

I dont care about Biden and think that it is a disgrace that he pardoned his family. But I did follow the Ukraine story when it broke in 2016 (I think) and it soon became clear that there was nothing to it. Again, Biden was sent with the clear directive to Ukraine to achieve the dismissal of Shokin. Which he did. There is ZERO doubt about that. He did not make any decisions that could have been corrupted.

ModernMech 2y ago
> it is a disgrace that he pardoned his family ... it soon became clear that there was nothing to it. I'm curious why you feel this way? To me, because there was nothing to the allegations surrounding Ukraine, the prosecution of Hunter Biden seems entirely political. If he were he any other person, he would not have received the treatment he did for the crimes he committed, which seem like very minor infractions (tax evasion, lying about being on drugs) compared to what was alleged (selling bribes and leveraging US foreign policy with Joe). The Republicans who encouraged that prosecution abused their power, and so I don't see why it should be disgraceful for Biden to similarly abuse his in defense. In normal times POTUS shouldn't pardon his family, but when his political opponents abuse a government committee to come after his family, then it's fair.
- wakawaka28 2y ago
  You don't need a pardon if you're not guilty, for one thing. These are not crimes that would be a matter of opinion. There would be finances that could be linked back to Hunter and Joe. By the way, did you know Hunter is selling "art" made with his own feces? Do you think that is in any way legit? Or is it another channel of illicit payments? >To me, because there was nothing to the allegations surrounding Ukraine, the prosecution of Hunter Biden seems entirely political. All the prosecution conducted against Trump was political so it is understandable that Biden could have this fear of retaliation. But the entire establishment worked to suppress the Hunter Biden story and all lines of inquiry about Biden's mental health. If you aren't suspicious about these people after all the antics they've pulled, you're just not paying attention.
- Paradigma11 2y ago
  Hunter Biden lived his whole live on the Biden name and now it came back to bite him in the ass. Tough luck. Joe Biden ran on his integrity and promised not to interfere with the prosecution. Now he did. Nobody expects Trump to have the intellectual or ethical capacity to act with integrity. Biden showed that he is the same and hurt his political cause for years to come.
  - ModernMech 2y ago
    I see. I think at the end of the day, Biden's political cause was democracy, which is now ablaze in the dumpster. The way I see it, Biden's whole message was "This thing is okay, we shouldn't burn it down". Then we held and election and the result was people voted to burn it all down. On the way out the door and at the end of his life, as people arrived with gasoline and matches, Biden chose his family over his political cause. Because why should he chose democracy if we won't?
    - wakawaka28 2y ago
      The Democrats don't truly care about democracy. The fact that they fabricated a narrative that their opposition was infiltrated by Russians, and then fabricated a ridiculous comparison to Nazis, proves that they don't respect the process. When they say "our democracy" they really mean "our bureaucracy" and that means "Democrat-controlled bureaucracy that does what we want." I've seen some leading liberal rags questioning the value of the constitution and the establishment of democracy, as well. As we speak they are openly calling for violence against Republicans on Reddit and elsewhere, which is anti-democracy. It's also common knowledge at this point that a loud minority of Democrats are actually communists.

ModernMech 2y ago

> it is a disgrace that he pardoned his family ... it soon became clear that there was nothing to it. I'm curious why you feel this way? To me, because there was nothing to the allegations surrounding Ukraine, the prosecution of Hunter Biden seems entirely political. If he were he any other person, he would not have received the treatment he did for the crimes he committed, which seem like very minor infractions (tax evasion, lying about being on drugs) compared to what was alleged (selling bribes and leveraging US foreign policy with Joe). The Republicans who encouraged that prosecution abused their power, and so I don't see why it should be disgraceful for Biden to similarly abuse his in defense. In normal times POTUS shouldn't pardon his family, but when his political opponents abuse a government committee to come after his family, then it's fair.

wakawaka28 2y ago
You don't need a pardon if you're not guilty, for one thing. These are not crimes that would be a matter of opinion. There would be finances that could be linked back to Hunter and Joe. By the way, did you know Hunter is selling "art" made with his own feces? Do you think that is in any way legit? Or is it another channel of illicit payments? >To me, because there was nothing to the allegations surrounding Ukraine, the prosecution of Hunter Biden seems entirely political. All the prosecution conducted against Trump was political so it is understandable that Biden could have this fear of retaliation. But the entire establishment worked to suppress the Hunter Biden story and all lines of inquiry about Biden's mental health. If you aren't suspicious about these people after all the antics they've pulled, you're just not paying attention.
Paradigma11 2y ago
Hunter Biden lived his whole live on the Biden name and now it came back to bite him in the ass. Tough luck. Joe Biden ran on his integrity and promised not to interfere with the prosecution. Now he did. Nobody expects Trump to have the intellectual or ethical capacity to act with integrity. Biden showed that he is the same and hurt his political cause for years to come.
- ModernMech 2y ago
  I see. I think at the end of the day, Biden's political cause was democracy, which is now ablaze in the dumpster. The way I see it, Biden's whole message was "This thing is okay, we shouldn't burn it down". Then we held and election and the result was people voted to burn it all down. On the way out the door and at the end of his life, as people arrived with gasoline and matches, Biden chose his family over his political cause. Because why should he chose democracy if we won't?
  - wakawaka28 2y ago
    The Democrats don't truly care about democracy. The fact that they fabricated a narrative that their opposition was infiltrated by Russians, and then fabricated a ridiculous comparison to Nazis, proves that they don't respect the process. When they say "our democracy" they really mean "our bureaucracy" and that means "Democrat-controlled bureaucracy that does what we want." I've seen some leading liberal rags questioning the value of the constitution and the establishment of democracy, as well. As we speak they are openly calling for violence against Republicans on Reddit and elsewhere, which is anti-democracy. It's also common knowledge at this point that a loud minority of Democrats are actually communists.