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The industry (all industries really) might want to reconsider online applications, or at least privilege in-person resume drop-offs because the escalating ai ap

The industry (all industries really) might want to reconsider online applications, or at least privilege in-person resume drop-offs because the escalating ai application/evaluation war that's happening doesn't seem to be helping anyone.

datavirtue 2y ago
No it's because AI shifted power over to the applicant.
- emseetech 2y ago
  How so? Tons of companies are moving to AI automated intake systems because they're getting flooded with low-quality AI generated resumes. Of course, the original online applications systems were terrible already which is what encouraged people towards low effort in their applications so it's become a stale-mate.
- bdangubic 2y ago
  this is very strange statement. in what world did AI possibly shift power to the applicant?? applicants have almost never been in shittier position than they are now and things are getting much, much worse by the day
  - ethin 2y ago
    Yeah I don't get this either. I've been looking for a job for like 3-4 years, even an entry-level one, since I graduated college in May of 22 and I still haven't found one. I'm probably doing something wrong (and that's a different discussion), but it's getting harder and harder to know if it's me or the AI applicants or the AI ATS system. And then we have the AI job seekers which are AI-created accounts trying to find employment -- I've already started to see a few of these pop up on Linked In. They were banned, but still, the fact it's happening all is a bit worrying if not predictable.
  - datavirtue 2y ago
    The applicant can use AI to build CVs, tailor them and submit more, faster. Negating a lot of the automated algorithms that were being used to filter (torture) applicants.
    - bdangubic 2y ago
      and what exactly do you think is processing those AI-built CVs…? it is like sex, more and faster does not in any way imply better :)
- hibikir 2y ago
  Did it? What I see instead is total mistrust of the open resume pool, because the percentage of outright lies, from resume to behavioral to everything else is just that high. So I see companies raise their hands and going back to maximum prioritization of in-network candidates, where we have someone vouching that the candidate is not a total waste of everyone's time. The one who loses all power is the new junior straight out of school, which used to already be difficult to distinguish from many other candidates with similar resumes: Now they compete with thousands upon thousands of total fakes which claim more experience anyway.
  - the_snooze 2y ago
    Undergrads have many more opportunities to differentiate themselves than they realize. It could be internships, research, TA, clubs, sports, volunteering, Greek life, etc. Those put them closer to being "in-network" with certain organizations and people. Even something like citizenship is a differentiating factor: an undergrad who applies to, say, a national lab won't compete with foreign students by definition.

datavirtue 2y ago

No it's because AI shifted power over to the applicant.

emseetech 2y ago
How so? Tons of companies are moving to AI automated intake systems because they're getting flooded with low-quality AI generated resumes. Of course, the original online applications systems were terrible already which is what encouraged people towards low effort in their applications so it's become a stale-mate.
bdangubic 2y ago
this is very strange statement. in what world did AI possibly shift power to the applicant?? applicants have almost never been in shittier position than they are now and things are getting much, much worse by the day
- ethin 2y ago
  Yeah I don't get this either. I've been looking for a job for like 3-4 years, even an entry-level one, since I graduated college in May of 22 and I still haven't found one. I'm probably doing something wrong (and that's a different discussion), but it's getting harder and harder to know if it's me or the AI applicants or the AI ATS system. And then we have the AI job seekers which are AI-created accounts trying to find employment -- I've already started to see a few of these pop up on Linked In. They were banned, but still, the fact it's happening all is a bit worrying if not predictable.
- datavirtue 2y ago
  The applicant can use AI to build CVs, tailor them and submit more, faster. Negating a lot of the automated algorithms that were being used to filter (torture) applicants.
  - bdangubic 2y ago
    and what exactly do you think is processing those AI-built CVs…? it is like sex, more and faster does not in any way imply better :)
hibikir 2y ago
Did it? What I see instead is total mistrust of the open resume pool, because the percentage of outright lies, from resume to behavioral to everything else is just that high. So I see companies raise their hands and going back to maximum prioritization of in-network candidates, where we have someone vouching that the candidate is not a total waste of everyone's time. The one who loses all power is the new junior straight out of school, which used to already be difficult to distinguish from many other candidates with similar resumes: Now they compete with thousands upon thousands of total fakes which claim more experience anyway.
- the_snooze 2y ago
  Undergrads have many more opportunities to differentiate themselves than they realize. It could be internships, research, TA, clubs, sports, volunteering, Greek life, etc. Those put them closer to being "in-network" with certain organizations and people. Even something like citizenship is a differentiating factor: an undergrad who applies to, say, a national lab won't compete with foreign students by definition.