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They are being discussed on HN a great deal so it's not clear the question makes sense. HN also doesn't really have a 'politics rule'. This is worth a read: ht

by pvg 2y ago

They are being discussed on HN a great deal so it's not clear the question makes sense. HN also doesn't really have a 'politics rule'. This is worth a read: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42911011 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42911011

minimaxir 2y ago
I missed that comment (because the parent submission was flagged lol) but dang's argument IMO more drives to the point that current HN policy/culture is insufficient. Flagging for repetition is fair, but the problem here is that there's very little repetition because Elon/DOGE keeps finding new ways to interfere with institutions.
- pvg 2y ago
  dang's argument IMO more drives to the point that current HN policy/culture is insufficient. That's the "This time it's different" bit from his comment so I'm not sure I understand your point. Are you saying this time it's different except even more different? but the problem here is that there's very little repetition because Elon/DOGE keeps finding new ways to interfere with institutions. Right but that's not how 'repetition' works in the narrow context of HN. It's a fuzzy repetition, a repetition by reference not by value. If Elon Musk goosesteps 3 times today and 6 times tomorrow, that doesn't mean it makes sense to put 9 Musk goosestepping stories on the front page of HN. There'd be no HN left. Edit: I saw a mention of https://news.ycombinator.com/active https://news.ycombinator.com/active in another thread. As I type, I count 7 ongoing, live threads about new US admin stuff and that's just of the 30 most active. It simply is not the case that this isn't being discussed on HN. It's being discussed on HN more than any other topic and, in fact, with way more than a typical, to use dang's term, Major Ongoing Topic gets discussed, at least concurrently.
- mdhb 2y ago
  It also doesn’t really take into account the fact that this is part of a very deliberate strategy to push through as much crazy shit as quickly as possible. This ongoing partisan takeover of various parts of government for example right now is a good example of a story that has a lot of different moving parts and it’s not all just “repetition” or anything like that. The entire strategy literally relies on people being able to handwave it away which is what the default policy as it stands today is exactly designed to do.
  - pvg 2y ago
    The entire strategy may rely on that in some broader sense but if you think the presence or absence of these stories on HN makes an iota of a difference to the actual implementation of any of these things, we're doomed and alwayshavebeen.gif. The International Brigades don't start mustering on the Ellipse to rescue the Republic, called forth when the 5th muskery story appears on the HN front page on a given day. Nor is Czechoslovakia handed over to Space X if no such stories show up for a bit. It's still just a medium-sized nerd messageboard.

by pvg 2y ago

minimaxir 2y ago

I missed that comment (because the parent submission was flagged lol) but dang's argument IMO more drives to the point that current HN policy/culture is insufficient. Flagging for repetition is fair, but the problem here is that there's very little repetition because Elon/DOGE keeps finding new ways to interfere with institutions.

pvg 2y ago
dang's argument IMO more drives to the point that current HN policy/culture is insufficient. That's the "This time it's different" bit from his comment so I'm not sure I understand your point. Are you saying this time it's different except even more different? but the problem here is that there's very little repetition because Elon/DOGE keeps finding new ways to interfere with institutions. Right but that's not how 'repetition' works in the narrow context of HN. It's a fuzzy repetition, a repetition by reference not by value. If Elon Musk goosesteps 3 times today and 6 times tomorrow, that doesn't mean it makes sense to put 9 Musk goosestepping stories on the front page of HN. There'd be no HN left. Edit: I saw a mention of https://news.ycombinator.com/active https://news.ycombinator.com/active in another thread. As I type, I count 7 ongoing, live threads about new US admin stuff and that's just of the 30 most active. It simply is not the case that this isn't being discussed on HN. It's being discussed on HN more than any other topic and, in fact, with way more than a typical, to use dang's term, Major Ongoing Topic gets discussed, at least concurrently.
mdhb 2y ago
It also doesn’t really take into account the fact that this is part of a very deliberate strategy to push through as much crazy shit as quickly as possible. This ongoing partisan takeover of various parts of government for example right now is a good example of a story that has a lot of different moving parts and it’s not all just “repetition” or anything like that. The entire strategy literally relies on people being able to handwave it away which is what the default policy as it stands today is exactly designed to do.
- pvg 2y ago
  The entire strategy may rely on that in some broader sense but if you think the presence or absence of these stories on HN makes an iota of a difference to the actual implementation of any of these things, we're doomed and alwayshavebeen.gif. The International Brigades don't start mustering on the Ellipse to rescue the Republic, called forth when the 5th muskery story appears on the HN front page on a given day. Nor is Czechoslovakia handed over to Space X if no such stories show up for a bit. It's still just a medium-sized nerd messageboard.