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Understanding versus remembering. You first understand and only afterwards encode your understanding in cards. It's in reviewing the cards that you put the und

by sn9 2y ago

Understanding versus remembering. You first understand and only afterwards encode your understanding in cards. It's in reviewing the cards that you put the understanding into your long-term memory (or possibly reveal gaps in your knowledge, in which case you revise your understanding).

exe34 2y ago
Swedish: Vad har det med saken att göra? direct translation: what has this with the matter to do? meaning: what does this have to do with it? Where does understanding come in? I can imagine what understanding mean for mathematics, science, etc. but for language, I'm having difficulty figuring it out.
- dambi0 2y ago
  The understanding comes from knowing when to use that phrase compared with other phrases that might mean similar things. Idiomatic usage to some extent. If learning a language was just remembering direct phrases then machine translation would be trivial
  - exe34 2y ago
    right so "med saken" was the new word, I understood the rest of the phrase. so it took like 4 seconds to understand. it'll take about 10-20 reviews to remember it for good. so the understanding took far less time than remembering. I could read a whole grammar book 10 times, but if I don't remember any of the words, then I'll never be able to write/say something. having all the words on the tip of my tongue is no good for communication.
    - dambi0 2y ago
      I understand the English words you are using. I’m still not convinced I understand what you are saying. In this particular case recall doesn’t seem to be the problem.
      - exe34 2y ago
        I think it's possible we're not in disagreement at all, but I'm struggling to express the issue: to me, "recall" is the task that takes all the effort, "understanding" is pretty much instant. Therefore "recall" is the bottleneck between me now and me using the word in a conversation or piece of writing. But it's possible that we have conflicting ideas of what recall/understanding means.

by sn9 2y ago

exe34 2y ago

Swedish: Vad har det med saken att göra? direct translation: what has this with the matter to do? meaning: what does this have to do with it? Where does understanding come in? I can imagine what understanding mean for mathematics, science, etc. but for language, I'm having difficulty figuring it out.

dambi0 2y ago
The understanding comes from knowing when to use that phrase compared with other phrases that might mean similar things. Idiomatic usage to some extent. If learning a language was just remembering direct phrases then machine translation would be trivial
- exe34 2y ago
  right so "med saken" was the new word, I understood the rest of the phrase. so it took like 4 seconds to understand. it'll take about 10-20 reviews to remember it for good. so the understanding took far less time than remembering. I could read a whole grammar book 10 times, but if I don't remember any of the words, then I'll never be able to write/say something. having all the words on the tip of my tongue is no good for communication.
  - dambi0 2y ago
    I understand the English words you are using. I’m still not convinced I understand what you are saying. In this particular case recall doesn’t seem to be the problem.
    - exe34 2y ago
      I think it's possible we're not in disagreement at all, but I'm struggling to express the issue: to me, "recall" is the task that takes all the effort, "understanding" is pretty much instant. Therefore "recall" is the bottleneck between me now and me using the word in a conversation or piece of writing. But it's possible that we have conflicting ideas of what recall/understanding means.