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Name of the game now is not to get fired at all costs and weather the storm until the dust settles...

by iExploder 2y ago

jppope 2y ago
hiring market tightened up... that doesn't mean there isn't one
- iExploder 2y ago
  > hiring market tightened up... that doesn't mean there isn't one tightened market is one thing, the absolute insanity of the recruitment process in last couple years with now AI thrown into the mix is really something to behold, test these waters at your own peril
  - blazing234 2y ago
    yeah the name of the game now is just to avoid any company that has shitty recruitment. you can tell in an instant if they are worth your time or not, which I'd say in Canada is about 90% a waste of time. someone who actually wants to hire will want you and wants to do whatever they can to get a good candidate.
    - jppope 2y ago
      Realistically its just the blind leading the blind. People have forgotten that a interview process was designed to avoid false positives, and that the companies who were most selective were providing top 1% comp and had brands that could carry that weight. If you are google and you were handing $500K in RSUs on top of $300K+ in salary, you better damn pick the right candidate... For some random SMB in shipping or something to be bashing people over the head with 10 step-leetcode-full-panel-10-hour-systems-design interviews they just don't get it. For starters they probably don't even have the talent to properly evaluate the prospect. So who are they helping?
- johnnyanmac 2y ago
  nope, but the process is worse - Much less resposnes - For your sanity you want to make sure there aren't obvious signs of something being a ghost job, an H1B hire, an internal hire, or a farce because "we're always growing" (lying). - expect longer processes. Hasn't happened to me but 7+ stage interview processes is not uncommon these days, even outside of tech - accept that some processes will be frozen under your nose. especially because of longer processes crossing quarters - expect less respect in the process. They feel like they do not want you. You are expendable - don't bother negotiating in this market. You get a number and take it unless you already have a job. Even then they may simply pass you for someone more desperate. BTW wages are being suppressed; you're probably not getting pre 2023 salaries right now. Yeah... if you're not being abused at work, I'd just weather it out.
  - ElectroBuffoon 2y ago
    > wages are being suppressed "logically, necessarily" as Marc Andreessen says? https://futurism.com/the-byte/ai-investor-goal-crash-human-wages https://futurism.com/the-byte/ai-investor-goal-crash-human-w... Now if they could also crash factors like material, energy and profit... consumers could pay pennies using their centinaire incomes.
johnnyanmac 2y ago
I sadly failed long ago. The company itself did not weather the storm.

Name of the game now is not to get fired at all costs and weather the storm until the dust settles...

jppope 2y ago

hiring market tightened up... that doesn't mean there isn't one

iExploder 2y ago
> hiring market tightened up... that doesn't mean there isn't one tightened market is one thing, the absolute insanity of the recruitment process in last couple years with now AI thrown into the mix is really something to behold, test these waters at your own peril
- blazing234 2y ago
  yeah the name of the game now is just to avoid any company that has shitty recruitment. you can tell in an instant if they are worth your time or not, which I'd say in Canada is about 90% a waste of time. someone who actually wants to hire will want you and wants to do whatever they can to get a good candidate.
  - jppope 2y ago
    Realistically its just the blind leading the blind. People have forgotten that a interview process was designed to avoid false positives, and that the companies who were most selective were providing top 1% comp and had brands that could carry that weight. If you are google and you were handing $500K in RSUs on top of $300K+ in salary, you better damn pick the right candidate... For some random SMB in shipping or something to be bashing people over the head with 10 step-leetcode-full-panel-10-hour-systems-design interviews they just don't get it. For starters they probably don't even have the talent to properly evaluate the prospect. So who are they helping?
johnnyanmac 2y ago
nope, but the process is worse - Much less resposnes - For your sanity you want to make sure there aren't obvious signs of something being a ghost job, an H1B hire, an internal hire, or a farce because "we're always growing" (lying). - expect longer processes. Hasn't happened to me but 7+ stage interview processes is not uncommon these days, even outside of tech - accept that some processes will be frozen under your nose. especially because of longer processes crossing quarters - expect less respect in the process. They feel like they do not want you. You are expendable - don't bother negotiating in this market. You get a number and take it unless you already have a job. Even then they may simply pass you for someone more desperate. BTW wages are being suppressed; you're probably not getting pre 2023 salaries right now. Yeah... if you're not being abused at work, I'd just weather it out.
- ElectroBuffoon 2y ago
  > wages are being suppressed "logically, necessarily" as Marc Andreessen says? https://futurism.com/the-byte/ai-investor-goal-crash-human-wages https://futurism.com/the-byte/ai-investor-goal-crash-human-w... Now if they could also crash factors like material, energy and profit... consumers could pay pennies using their centinaire incomes.

johnnyanmac 2y ago

I sadly failed long ago. The company itself did not weather the storm.