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One aspect that I find alarming about gender dysmorphia as a diagnosis is that it seems to pathologize gender non-conformity. For example, in some circles it's

One aspect that I find alarming about gender dysmorphia as a diagnosis is that it seems to pathologize gender non-conformity. For example, in some circles it's more acceptable to be a trans man than a "butch" woman. And the diagnostic criteria for gender dysmorphia might put a butch woman in the "trans" bucket if she were to talk to a doctor. To me this is a betrayal of what feminism was after in the early 2000 - namely moving away from rigid gender stereotypes.

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jagger27 2y ago
You mean gender dysphoria. Body dysmorphia is also something trans people experience. You’re basically making the “they’re killing the twinks!” argument with absolutely no evidence for diagnosticians leading patients towards transition. My experience as a trans woman is that I had to fight my doctors to believe me, and this is a common experience in my circles. I know dozens of trans people, and not a single one was told by a doctor that they were trans. We call it the prime directive, and we even apply it between friends. You do not speak with authority on this topic.
eastbound 2y ago
If that means a man can enter the women’s bathrooms, then I’m against it.
- steele 2y ago
  You're against doors. Save your hate energy for actual problems.
- beedeebeedee 2y ago
  All this malice over bathroom use? How about we make bathrooms single stall and end this stupid hate
  - eastbound 2y ago
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    - beedeebeedee 2y ago
      > Do you let people self-identify, and there are many rapes caused by this, Citation needed. That sounds deeply dubious (as frankly the rest of your argument)
    - jagger27 2y ago
      The most rapes involving trans people are in men’s prisons where trans women are put. You’re very thinly veiled in your fascist rhetoric. If misused bathroom rape was the actual issue at play, men would simply push the fucking door open and rape the women you apparently care so deeply to protect. Men with motive to use the opposite bathroom would not go through the often sterilizing trouble of hormone replacement therapy when the doors are already unlocked. You tell on yourself badly with this argument, rightbound.
      - zzrzzr 2y ago
        That's because male-on-male violence, including sexual violence, is endemic in many male prisons. How any particular male victim may identify is secondary to this safeguarding failure within the male prison system.
        jagger27 2y ago
        Trans women are not men.
        zzrzzr 2y ago
        That is of course a matter of opinion.
        AlexeyBelov 2y ago
ocschwar 2y ago
What we're witnessing is active malice against two populations: people who are dysphoric and would like help to be comfortable in their own bodies, and people who are perfectly comfortable as they are and would like the rest of us to accept that they will not take measures to change their trans-gender physical characteristics. What we need is a campaign with a firm message of "hands off, all of them."
- mbostleman 2y ago
  >>What we’re witnessing is active malice>> What do you think brought on this malice? What would cause 99.5% of the population to suddenly have malice against 0.5%? Was it spontaneous?
  - steele 2y ago
    Wealth inequality and the resurgence of fascism pressing it's monied thumb on the Overton window.
    - mbostleman 2y ago
      Ok, then how does that work, exactly? In 2021 a survey by the Pew Research Center found that about 4.5% of U.S. adults identify as gay, but when asked what percentage of the population they believe is gay, Americans on average estimated around 20%. Similarly, a study from Britain's NHS found that British youths were 50 times more likely to suffer from gender distress since 2011. To back that up, Reuters worked with Komodo Health recently and found a 3 times increase the diagnosis of gender dysphoria from 2017 - 2021. So with this context as a backdrop, and knowing that fascists and their money were behind it, did they manipulate narratives to create an impression amongst Americans that there are 5 times as many gay people as there actually are? And did they also create a sudden surge in demand for gender affirming care? Tactically, how did they go about that? Did they takeover Hollywood? The media? Was their plan to create a narrative that normalizes the fringe so as to ignite hatred towards that fringe? Sounds like a pretty clever chess game.
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jagger27 2y ago

You mean gender dysphoria. Body dysmorphia is also something trans people experience. You’re basically making the “they’re killing the twinks!” argument with absolutely no evidence for diagnosticians leading patients towards transition. My experience as a trans woman is that I had to fight my doctors to believe me, and this is a common experience in my circles. I know dozens of trans people, and not a single one was told by a doctor that they were trans. We call it the prime directive, and we even apply it between friends. You do not speak with authority on this topic.

eastbound 2y ago

If that means a man can enter the women’s bathrooms, then I’m against it.

steele 2y ago
You're against doors. Save your hate energy for actual problems.
beedeebeedee 2y ago
All this malice over bathroom use? How about we make bathrooms single stall and end this stupid hate
- eastbound 2y ago
  [flagged]
  - beedeebeedee 2y ago
    > Do you let people self-identify, and there are many rapes caused by this, Citation needed. That sounds deeply dubious (as frankly the rest of your argument)
  - jagger27 2y ago
    The most rapes involving trans people are in men’s prisons where trans women are put. You’re very thinly veiled in your fascist rhetoric. If misused bathroom rape was the actual issue at play, men would simply push the fucking door open and rape the women you apparently care so deeply to protect. Men with motive to use the opposite bathroom would not go through the often sterilizing trouble of hormone replacement therapy when the doors are already unlocked. You tell on yourself badly with this argument, rightbound.
    - zzrzzr 2y ago
      That's because male-on-male violence, including sexual violence, is endemic in many male prisons. How any particular male victim may identify is secondary to this safeguarding failure within the male prison system.
      - jagger27 2y ago
        Trans women are not men.
        zzrzzr 2y ago
        That is of course a matter of opinion.
        AlexeyBelov 2y ago

ocschwar 2y ago

What we're witnessing is active malice against two populations: people who are dysphoric and would like help to be comfortable in their own bodies, and people who are perfectly comfortable as they are and would like the rest of us to accept that they will not take measures to change their trans-gender physical characteristics. What we need is a campaign with a firm message of "hands off, all of them."

mbostleman 2y ago
>>What we’re witnessing is active malice>> What do you think brought on this malice? What would cause 99.5% of the population to suddenly have malice against 0.5%? Was it spontaneous?
- steele 2y ago
  Wealth inequality and the resurgence of fascism pressing it's monied thumb on the Overton window.
  - mbostleman 2y ago
    Ok, then how does that work, exactly? In 2021 a survey by the Pew Research Center found that about 4.5% of U.S. adults identify as gay, but when asked what percentage of the population they believe is gay, Americans on average estimated around 20%. Similarly, a study from Britain's NHS found that British youths were 50 times more likely to suffer from gender distress since 2011. To back that up, Reuters worked with Komodo Health recently and found a 3 times increase the diagnosis of gender dysphoria from 2017 - 2021. So with this context as a backdrop, and knowing that fascists and their money were behind it, did they manipulate narratives to create an impression amongst Americans that there are 5 times as many gay people as there actually are? And did they also create a sudden surge in demand for gender affirming care? Tactically, how did they go about that? Did they takeover Hollywood? The media? Was their plan to create a narrative that normalizes the fringe so as to ignite hatred towards that fringe? Sounds like a pretty clever chess game.
    - 2y ago