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It's quite alarming. And it seems departments are complicit. Which is further alarming. We need Governors, AGs, and mayors to refuse to comply with unlawful fed

by vlan0 2y ago

It's quite alarming. And it seems departments are complicit. Which is further alarming. We need Governors, AGs, and mayors to refuse to comply with unlawful federal directives. If everyone just falls in line, what levers can we pull? Feels like at that point, civil war might be upon us.

casenmgreen 2y ago
Government has accumulated enormous power over the centuries. Now Government goes bad, this becomes very clear.
- vlan0 2y ago
  You're not wrong. We've lost the plot on what value government provides. It should be about community. People having agency and coming together because we see our selves in our neighbors.
  - s1artibartfast 2y ago
    Yes, we also lost the plot on what government should be. It should be a tool for positive some collaboration, on projects that most people can agree on. It should not be a club for beating each other over the head. I can't get an Obamacare protest poster out of my mind that sums up how democracy fails. It raid "If you shove this down our throat, We will shove it up your asses". This isn't to say democrats started it, but emblematic of the failure mode.
    - vlan0 2y ago
      >Yes, we also lost the plot on what government should be. It should be a tool for positive some collaboration, on projects that most people can agree on. It should not be a club for beating each other over the head. And how we get there is through empathy for one another. Like full on Mr Rodger's love your neighbor.
      - s1artibartfast 2y ago
        Sure. I just dont think the role of the government is to enforce that.
        vlan0 2y ago
        Absolutely! It requires all of us to have agency and reach this on our own time. A direct quote from Fred Rogers "There's a world of difference between insisting on someone's doing something and establishing an atmosphere in which that person can grow into wanting to do it."
spencerflem 2y ago
Sadly, I think you're being optimistic. The Democrats are not fighters, the states will fall in line, and the people are not willing nor able to wage civil war.
- vlan0 2y ago
  >Sadly, I think you're being optimistic. I wish. I'm currently looking into where long range gun rifle ranges are. About to start purchasing armor penetrating rounds. Basically try to form local "municipal militia" style groups. I'm fully expecting violence within a decade.
  - spencerflem 2y ago
    Incredibly respectable. And get on it ASAP because imo its likely they'll be harder to get in the very short term. But the sad thing is I just don't see there being enough organization. Nazi Germany didn't end because of internal militias.
- gosub100 2y ago
  > The Democrats are not fighters because they don't represent the people, they represent big corporations.
  - spencerflem 2y ago
    Totally with ya.
arp242 2y ago
One of the problems of outright refusal is that you'll end up being fired, and likely replaced by a Trumpdroid. Staying in your position and cooperating the "least amount" you can get away with is better. Very thin rope to walk though, and seems like a nigh-impossible position to be in.
- vlan0 2y ago
  >One of the problems of outright refusal is that you'll end up being fired, and likely replaced by a Trumpdroid We need resistance at all levels. Fire me? We sit in and chain the doors? Call the police? Police stand down and need to support the people. Police need to recognize they will also be on the chopping block. It's all about who can enforce what. We are literally in a power battle. And it'll take every single one of us to ACT. Otherwise, we are fucked. Get comfortable with being uncomfortable.
  - arp242 2y ago
    That's easy to say from the sidelines, but it's people's jobs we're talking about: they need to eat, and have mortgages and children in college and whatnot. There's a lot at stake for people in very direct and tangible ways. And at this point it's unclear if any of this will even be effective, or if any of Trump's action will stick. "Put your livelihood on the line to perhaps maybe prevent some form of authoritarianism of unclear severity". I mean, I don't think we really disagree on matters as such, but I do think you're underestimating the extremely difficult position these workers are in.
    - vlan0 2y ago
      It does sound like that, doesn't it. I think it speaks to how dire I see this situation. Because you're right, people are being put in a very difficult situations. And the government likely is aware of that too. They understand the power imbalance that exists. We need to find a way to support these people. People that sacrifice for the whole of our community must be supported by said community.
  - SubiculumCode 2y ago

by vlan0 2y ago

casenmgreen 2y ago

Government has accumulated enormous power over the centuries. Now Government goes bad, this becomes very clear.

vlan0 2y ago
You're not wrong. We've lost the plot on what value government provides. It should be about community. People having agency and coming together because we see our selves in our neighbors.
- s1artibartfast 2y ago
  Yes, we also lost the plot on what government should be. It should be a tool for positive some collaboration, on projects that most people can agree on. It should not be a club for beating each other over the head. I can't get an Obamacare protest poster out of my mind that sums up how democracy fails. It raid "If you shove this down our throat, We will shove it up your asses". This isn't to say democrats started it, but emblematic of the failure mode.
  - vlan0 2y ago
    >Yes, we also lost the plot on what government should be. It should be a tool for positive some collaboration, on projects that most people can agree on. It should not be a club for beating each other over the head. And how we get there is through empathy for one another. Like full on Mr Rodger's love your neighbor.
    - s1artibartfast 2y ago
      Sure. I just dont think the role of the government is to enforce that.
      - vlan0 2y ago
        Absolutely! It requires all of us to have agency and reach this on our own time. A direct quote from Fred Rogers "There's a world of difference between insisting on someone's doing something and establishing an atmosphere in which that person can grow into wanting to do it."

spencerflem 2y ago

Sadly, I think you're being optimistic. The Democrats are not fighters, the states will fall in line, and the people are not willing nor able to wage civil war.

vlan0 2y ago
>Sadly, I think you're being optimistic. I wish. I'm currently looking into where long range gun rifle ranges are. About to start purchasing armor penetrating rounds. Basically try to form local "municipal militia" style groups. I'm fully expecting violence within a decade.
- spencerflem 2y ago
  Incredibly respectable. And get on it ASAP because imo its likely they'll be harder to get in the very short term. But the sad thing is I just don't see there being enough organization. Nazi Germany didn't end because of internal militias.
gosub100 2y ago
> The Democrats are not fighters because they don't represent the people, they represent big corporations.
- spencerflem 2y ago
  Totally with ya.

arp242 2y ago

One of the problems of outright refusal is that you'll end up being fired, and likely replaced by a Trumpdroid. Staying in your position and cooperating the "least amount" you can get away with is better. Very thin rope to walk though, and seems like a nigh-impossible position to be in.

vlan0 2y ago
>One of the problems of outright refusal is that you'll end up being fired, and likely replaced by a Trumpdroid We need resistance at all levels. Fire me? We sit in and chain the doors? Call the police? Police stand down and need to support the people. Police need to recognize they will also be on the chopping block. It's all about who can enforce what. We are literally in a power battle. And it'll take every single one of us to ACT. Otherwise, we are fucked. Get comfortable with being uncomfortable.
- arp242 2y ago
  That's easy to say from the sidelines, but it's people's jobs we're talking about: they need to eat, and have mortgages and children in college and whatnot. There's a lot at stake for people in very direct and tangible ways. And at this point it's unclear if any of this will even be effective, or if any of Trump's action will stick. "Put your livelihood on the line to perhaps maybe prevent some form of authoritarianism of unclear severity". I mean, I don't think we really disagree on matters as such, but I do think you're underestimating the extremely difficult position these workers are in.
  - vlan0 2y ago
    It does sound like that, doesn't it. I think it speaks to how dire I see this situation. Because you're right, people are being put in a very difficult situations. And the government likely is aware of that too. They understand the power imbalance that exists. We need to find a way to support these people. People that sacrifice for the whole of our community must be supported by said community.
- SubiculumCode 2y ago