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A person who has not gone through a confirmation process is running an agency not provided for by Congress and not vetted for security clearances which is tak

A person who has not gone through a confirmation process is running an agency not provided for by Congress and not vetted for security clearances which is taking actions that violate employment laws and union protections. That is what we are concerned about. This violates all kinds of norms, regulations, and laws. The left did not lose "so badly". They lost a handful of electoral college swing states by small margins. These people do not have a mandate, no matter how much they say they do. https://federate.social/@mattblaze/113926311776131035 https://federate.social/@mattblaze/113926311776131035

ty6853 2y ago
Musk has no authority. He operates only under the pleasure of the authority of the president and the officers of the USDS under which he is a federal employee. You needn't be an officer to gain access to and analyze payment systems.
- locopati 2y ago
  Has no authority but is taking authoritorial actions. Right. He's not a federal employee afaik as he hasn't passed any of the requisite checks or been approved by the Senate.
  - ty6853 2y ago
    I do not think you need a confirmation nor a commission to hold office to access payment systems.
    - piva00 2y ago
      Access payment systems is not the objective[0]. [0] https://www.ft.com/content/27ba0a6a-0d9b-4e08-8329-730b581c0481 https://www.ft.com/content/27ba0a6a-0d9b-4e08-8329-730b581c0...
figassis 2y ago
Didn’t Trump issue an EO to expedite security clearances for people who were in line 1 day after inauguration? Could they be those people?
- buddavis_ 2y ago
  No. The story I read was for "Interim Top Secret". If you have a clear National Agency Check (arrest and convictions), and do not flag as a drug user / mental case, then you can be given an "Interim Top Secret" while waiting for the clearance adjudication. Does not allow access to SCI, or NATO Cosmic, but does allow access to regular Top Secret. There is also an "Interim Secret". Over 90% of the people with interim clearances are positively adjudicated. Normal thing. Provided they are using the same criteria for the Interim Clearances.
  - dinkumthinkum 2y ago
    Top Secret is also a fairly common clearance, despite the name it is not a clearance level reserved for highest levels of intelligence or anything like that.
scarab92 2y ago
Trump won the election. The left need to accept that. He has a mandate to significantly reduce the size of the federal government, and he has the authority to appoint Musk to act in this way. You can complain about it violating norms all you like, but norms aren’t laws and taking into account the preferences of the left isn’t something Trump is required to do nor is it something the Democrats have done in the past for the right. As for violating employment laws, there’s no evidence of this. It appears you just threw that in there hoping no one would challenge you on it.
- locopati 2y ago
  Federal employees are unionized. There are procedures to dismiss employees. They are not following those procedures. So, no, I didn't just throw that on there. Even if there weren't, are you so callous and heartless that you can't see how this blow-it-all-up approach is making chaos of people's lives? Is that what you're here for... to make things hard on people? The Republicans won the election. That doesn't mean trample the entirety of the country to fit their vision. The Democrats have done nothing like this. Stop defending fascists. It's not a good look.
  - scarab92 2y ago
    > fascists I'm sure calling them such names makes sense in your echo chambers, but to the overwhelming majority of people this is an inaccurate and inappropriate label. Calling people things which they are not, does not hurt their reputation, it simply makes your fringe of the political spectrum look immature.
    - cmurf 2y ago
      But you don't care about immaturity. You voted for Trump. The guy who said he can "grab them by the pussy, they let you do it". It's just lockeroom talk. Right? The entire Republican chorus backed up this juvenile locker room talk excuse. Trotted it out for the whole world to see. Not very mature. Did you love it?
    - mschoch 2y ago

ty6853 2y ago

Musk has no authority. He operates only under the pleasure of the authority of the president and the officers of the USDS under which he is a federal employee. You needn't be an officer to gain access to and analyze payment systems.

locopati 2y ago
Has no authority but is taking authoritorial actions. Right. He's not a federal employee afaik as he hasn't passed any of the requisite checks or been approved by the Senate.
- ty6853 2y ago
  I do not think you need a confirmation nor a commission to hold office to access payment systems.
  - piva00 2y ago
    Access payment systems is not the objective[0]. [0] https://www.ft.com/content/27ba0a6a-0d9b-4e08-8329-730b581c0481 https://www.ft.com/content/27ba0a6a-0d9b-4e08-8329-730b581c0...

figassis 2y ago

Didn’t Trump issue an EO to expedite security clearances for people who were in line 1 day after inauguration? Could they be those people?

buddavis_ 2y ago
No. The story I read was for "Interim Top Secret". If you have a clear National Agency Check (arrest and convictions), and do not flag as a drug user / mental case, then you can be given an "Interim Top Secret" while waiting for the clearance adjudication. Does not allow access to SCI, or NATO Cosmic, but does allow access to regular Top Secret. There is also an "Interim Secret". Over 90% of the people with interim clearances are positively adjudicated. Normal thing. Provided they are using the same criteria for the Interim Clearances.
- dinkumthinkum 2y ago
  Top Secret is also a fairly common clearance, despite the name it is not a clearance level reserved for highest levels of intelligence or anything like that.

scarab92 2y ago

Trump won the election. The left need to accept that. He has a mandate to significantly reduce the size of the federal government, and he has the authority to appoint Musk to act in this way. You can complain about it violating norms all you like, but norms aren’t laws and taking into account the preferences of the left isn’t something Trump is required to do nor is it something the Democrats have done in the past for the right. As for violating employment laws, there’s no evidence of this. It appears you just threw that in there hoping no one would challenge you on it.

locopati 2y ago
Federal employees are unionized. There are procedures to dismiss employees. They are not following those procedures. So, no, I didn't just throw that on there. Even if there weren't, are you so callous and heartless that you can't see how this blow-it-all-up approach is making chaos of people's lives? Is that what you're here for... to make things hard on people? The Republicans won the election. That doesn't mean trample the entirety of the country to fit their vision. The Democrats have done nothing like this. Stop defending fascists. It's not a good look.
- scarab92 2y ago
  > fascists I'm sure calling them such names makes sense in your echo chambers, but to the overwhelming majority of people this is an inaccurate and inappropriate label. Calling people things which they are not, does not hurt their reputation, it simply makes your fringe of the political spectrum look immature.
  - cmurf 2y ago
    But you don't care about immaturity. You voted for Trump. The guy who said he can "grab them by the pussy, they let you do it". It's just lockeroom talk. Right? The entire Republican chorus backed up this juvenile locker room talk excuse. Trotted it out for the whole world to see. Not very mature. Did you love it?
  - mschoch 2y ago