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If only millions of American's knew he would do that when they voted for him and supported him. They still do I don’t think they care.

by vinni2 2y ago

eastbound 2y ago
It seems like behavior matters.
deleted 2y ago
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jfengel 2y ago
They care very much. They think it's great.
ChicagoDave 2y ago
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- nathanaldensr 2y ago
  That's a pretty big "simply because," and given voters normally vote on economic conditions and not strict ideology, it's hardly surprising.
- StefanBatory 2y ago
  I knew a few Rep voters who went like "Project 2025 is not affiliated with Trump, and even if, that's good, because fuck the LGBT" * last part added by me, but that's how their attitude was...
  - ChicagoDave 2y ago
    I ran into several young Trump voters after the election that adamantly believed he would just improve the economy. “All that Project 2025 stuff was a smokescreen.”
  - lelanthran 2y ago
    > I knew a few Rep voters who went like "Project 2025 is not affiliated with Trump, and even if, that's good, because fuck the LGBT" > * last part added by me, but that's how their attitude was... I think the problem is one of a non-united grouping - Most people are accepting of L, G and B, but not T. The actual L and G friends I have (Don't have any B friends; or if I do, I don't know about it) individually try to distance themselves from the T. There would have been much less for Trump to mudsling on if the opposition simply dropped support for T while keeping L, G and B. Having LGBT as a single block that you are either for or against is stupid because while most people would be either neutral or positive about L, G and B, the clear majority of people are not neutral on the proposals from the T camp.
    - StefanBatory 2y ago
      Trans rights are human rights. You cannot support one not supporting another.
      - account42 2y ago
        And what are those "human" rights exactly? There is no right to pronouns or to being referred to in whatever way you want. In fact, policing that kind of thing is an infringement on other people's right to free speech either. There is no right to expensive surgeries either, especially cosmetic ones. There is also no right to deciding which bathroom you get to go to. Please be precise which rights you think are "human rights" and why.
        ChicagoDave 2y ago
        This is why we can’t have nice things. You don’t have to use pronouns if you don’t want to. Why do you care if another human’s happiness is centered on gender identity? No one has ever been assaulted by a trans but every day there’s another report of a pastor or priest molesting children. “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” is in our declaration of independence.
        2y ago
- atoav 2y ago
  I think your strongest venue to keeping it (short of a civil war) is organizing in labor unions. Because individuals are easy to control but nothing focuses the minds of billionaire elites like a full general strike with no end in sight.
  - kmeisthax 2y ago
    This guy reads Doctorow.
    - atoav 2y ago
      I honestly didn't, but now I just might.
  - dragonwriter 2y ago
    > I think your strongest venue to keeping it (short of a civil war) is organizing in labor unions. US labor unions have been systematically weakened for decades, though, so that's not a very good chance. Labor organizing can do powerful things, but it doesn't tend to work overnight on the scale needed.
    - atoav 2y ago
      I said this is the strongest venue, not that it is a strong venue. This crisis is not going to get solved by individuals. The route for individuals to take is infiltration and nudging of the two parties from within — but that is not general advice you can give to everybody, it takes a certain kind of individual to do that. E.g. if you are a person like AOC, trying to replace you Dem representative would be a very good venue to help the cause. But most people aren't that politically capable or stubborn to run (they rather complain about politicians than mame those decisions themselves). So outside of that it takes organizations to take stances. Organized labour, churches, other kinds of groups that can turn out in big numbers.

If only millions of American's knew he would do that when they voted for him and supported him. They still do I don’t think they care.

by vinni2 2y ago

If only millions of American's knew he would do that when they voted for him and supported him. They still do I don’t think they care.

eastbound 2y ago

It seems like behavior matters.

deleted 2y ago

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jfengel 2y ago

They care very much. They think it's great.

ChicagoDave 2y ago

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nathanaldensr 2y ago
That's a pretty big "simply because," and given voters normally vote on economic conditions and not strict ideology, it's hardly surprising.
StefanBatory 2y ago
I knew a few Rep voters who went like "Project 2025 is not affiliated with Trump, and even if, that's good, because fuck the LGBT" * last part added by me, but that's how their attitude was...
- ChicagoDave 2y ago
  I ran into several young Trump voters after the election that adamantly believed he would just improve the economy. “All that Project 2025 stuff was a smokescreen.”
- lelanthran 2y ago
  > I knew a few Rep voters who went like "Project 2025 is not affiliated with Trump, and even if, that's good, because fuck the LGBT" > * last part added by me, but that's how their attitude was... I think the problem is one of a non-united grouping - Most people are accepting of L, G and B, but not T. The actual L and G friends I have (Don't have any B friends; or if I do, I don't know about it) individually try to distance themselves from the T. There would have been much less for Trump to mudsling on if the opposition simply dropped support for T while keeping L, G and B. Having LGBT as a single block that you are either for or against is stupid because while most people would be either neutral or positive about L, G and B, the clear majority of people are not neutral on the proposals from the T camp.
  - StefanBatory 2y ago
    Trans rights are human rights. You cannot support one not supporting another.
    - account42 2y ago
      And what are those "human" rights exactly? There is no right to pronouns or to being referred to in whatever way you want. In fact, policing that kind of thing is an infringement on other people's right to free speech either. There is no right to expensive surgeries either, especially cosmetic ones. There is also no right to deciding which bathroom you get to go to. Please be precise which rights you think are "human rights" and why.
      - ChicagoDave 2y ago
        This is why we can’t have nice things. You don’t have to use pronouns if you don’t want to. Why do you care if another human’s happiness is centered on gender identity? No one has ever been assaulted by a trans but every day there’s another report of a pastor or priest molesting children. “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” is in our declaration of independence.
        2y ago
atoav 2y ago
I think your strongest venue to keeping it (short of a civil war) is organizing in labor unions. Because individuals are easy to control but nothing focuses the minds of billionaire elites like a full general strike with no end in sight.
- kmeisthax 2y ago
  This guy reads Doctorow.
  - atoav 2y ago
    I honestly didn't, but now I just might.
- dragonwriter 2y ago
  > I think your strongest venue to keeping it (short of a civil war) is organizing in labor unions. US labor unions have been systematically weakened for decades, though, so that's not a very good chance. Labor organizing can do powerful things, but it doesn't tend to work overnight on the scale needed.
  - atoav 2y ago
    I said this is the strongest venue, not that it is a strong venue. This crisis is not going to get solved by individuals. The route for individuals to take is infiltration and nudging of the two parties from within — but that is not general advice you can give to everybody, it takes a certain kind of individual to do that. E.g. if you are a person like AOC, trying to replace you Dem representative would be a very good venue to help the cause. But most people aren't that politically capable or stubborn to run (they rather complain about politicians than mame those decisions themselves). So outside of that it takes organizations to take stances. Organized labour, churches, other kinds of groups that can turn out in big numbers.