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Please get your government to work with Mexico and China to put tariffs on specific red states. You can absolutely devastate the economy of a few states, especi

Please get your government to work with Mexico and China to put tariffs on specific red states. You can absolutely devastate the economy of a few states, especially poorer red states and other states Senators would then think twice before voting in favor of things that could turn those tariffs to their state.

Terr_ 2y ago
> twice about voting in favor Given that all this (and there's a whole lotta other extra this) is coming straight out of the White House without any legislative votes, the future vote that is going to matter involves impeachment and removal from office. That should guide how other countries' decide to structure their retaliation.
- toomuchtodo 2y ago
  Impeachment is unlikely because the GOP has to kowtow to Trump to survive him and his base. The path is to beat down red states and their electorates with tariffs. The direct economic harm is the only lever to pull, and therefore a coalition of nation states is needed to specifically target red states collectively.
  - dinkumthinkum 2y ago
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    - toomuchtodo 2y ago
      > What do you think would be the actual result of such actions in the real world? In regards to the potential impact of retaliatory tariffs, I’d expect to see layoffs and business closures in red states, where voters are already economically disadvantaged; auto industry, agriculture (potash), etc. Increased grocery and basic food pricing. Farmer suicides are already 3.5x the general population, I’d expect to see the suicide and deaths of despair rate tick up from this economic impairment. These states already primarily rely on the federal government for financial assistance, financial assistance the new admin has said needs to be cut. Canada specifically stated they are targeting red states. That’s not copium, it’s just smart policy. That’s where the voters are who voted for this. So, you impair jobs and economic opportunity in those states with tariffs and other cross border policy. > The U.S. auto industry could shut down within a week, by some estimates, thanks to these tariffs. Even if it doesn't, there is no automaker that's set up to operate in a world of high-friction North American border duties. … > “Farm Bureau members support the goals of security and ensuring fair trade with our North American neighbors and China, but, unfortunately, we know from experience that farmers and rural communities will bear the brunt of retaliation. Harmful effects of retaliation to farmers ripple through the rest of the rural economy. > “In addition, over 80% of the United States’ supply of a key fertilizer ingredient — potash — comes from Canada. Tariffs that increase fertilizer prices threaten to deliver another blow to the finances of farm families already grappling with inflation and high supply costs. > “Farm and ranch families answer the call to feed America’s families and the world, and these tariffs and the promised retaliation will put further stress on their livelihoods. More than 20% of U.S. farm income comes from exports, which are dominated by these three markets. Just last year the U.S. exported over $30 billion in agricultural products to Mexico, $29 billion to Canada and $26 billion to China – our top three markets and nearly half of all exports by value combined. Citations: https://www.axios.com/2025/02/02/trump-tariffs-cars https://www.axios.com/2025/02/02/trump-tariffs-cars https://www.csis.org/analysis/canadian-tariffs-will-undermine-us-minerals-security https://www.csis.org/analysis/canadian-tariffs-will-undermin... https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-rural-communities-are-tackling-a-suicide-and-depression-crisis-among-farmers https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-rural-communities-are-... https://www.fb.org/news-release/afbf-new-tariffs-will-impact-americas-farmers https://www.fb.org/news-release/afbf-new-tariffs-will-impact... http://www.ers.usda.gov/amber-waves/2022/march/retaliatory-tariffs-reduced-u-s-states-exports-of-agricultural-commodities http://www.ers.usda.gov/amber-waves/2022/march/retaliatory-t... https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/01/us/food-prices-tariffs-trump-dg/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/01/us/food-prices-tariffs-trump-...
      - toomuchtodo 2y ago
        Chuck Grassley asks Trump for a tariff carveout - https://www.axios.com/2025/02/03/grassley-trump-tariffs-congress-farm-states https://www.axios.com/2025/02/03/grassley-trump-tariffs-cong... - Feb 3, 2025

Terr_ 2y ago

> twice about voting in favor Given that all this (and there's a whole lotta other extra this) is coming straight out of the White House without any legislative votes, the future vote that is going to matter involves impeachment and removal from office. That should guide how other countries' decide to structure their retaliation.

toomuchtodo 2y ago
Impeachment is unlikely because the GOP has to kowtow to Trump to survive him and his base. The path is to beat down red states and their electorates with tariffs. The direct economic harm is the only lever to pull, and therefore a coalition of nation states is needed to specifically target red states collectively.
- dinkumthinkum 2y ago
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  - toomuchtodo 2y ago
    > What do you think would be the actual result of such actions in the real world? In regards to the potential impact of retaliatory tariffs, I’d expect to see layoffs and business closures in red states, where voters are already economically disadvantaged; auto industry, agriculture (potash), etc. Increased grocery and basic food pricing. Farmer suicides are already 3.5x the general population, I’d expect to see the suicide and deaths of despair rate tick up from this economic impairment. These states already primarily rely on the federal government for financial assistance, financial assistance the new admin has said needs to be cut. Canada specifically stated they are targeting red states. That’s not copium, it’s just smart policy. That’s where the voters are who voted for this. So, you impair jobs and economic opportunity in those states with tariffs and other cross border policy. > The U.S. auto industry could shut down within a week, by some estimates, thanks to these tariffs. Even if it doesn't, there is no automaker that's set up to operate in a world of high-friction North American border duties. … > “Farm Bureau members support the goals of security and ensuring fair trade with our North American neighbors and China, but, unfortunately, we know from experience that farmers and rural communities will bear the brunt of retaliation. Harmful effects of retaliation to farmers ripple through the rest of the rural economy. > “In addition, over 80% of the United States’ supply of a key fertilizer ingredient — potash — comes from Canada. Tariffs that increase fertilizer prices threaten to deliver another blow to the finances of farm families already grappling with inflation and high supply costs. > “Farm and ranch families answer the call to feed America’s families and the world, and these tariffs and the promised retaliation will put further stress on their livelihoods. More than 20% of U.S. farm income comes from exports, which are dominated by these three markets. Just last year the U.S. exported over $30 billion in agricultural products to Mexico, $29 billion to Canada and $26 billion to China – our top three markets and nearly half of all exports by value combined. Citations: https://www.axios.com/2025/02/02/trump-tariffs-cars https://www.axios.com/2025/02/02/trump-tariffs-cars https://www.csis.org/analysis/canadian-tariffs-will-undermine-us-minerals-security https://www.csis.org/analysis/canadian-tariffs-will-undermin... https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-rural-communities-are-tackling-a-suicide-and-depression-crisis-among-farmers https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-rural-communities-are-... https://www.fb.org/news-release/afbf-new-tariffs-will-impact-americas-farmers https://www.fb.org/news-release/afbf-new-tariffs-will-impact... http://www.ers.usda.gov/amber-waves/2022/march/retaliatory-tariffs-reduced-u-s-states-exports-of-agricultural-commodities http://www.ers.usda.gov/amber-waves/2022/march/retaliatory-t... https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/01/us/food-prices-tariffs-trump-dg/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/01/us/food-prices-tariffs-trump-...
    - toomuchtodo 2y ago
      Chuck Grassley asks Trump for a tariff carveout - https://www.axios.com/2025/02/03/grassley-trump-tariffs-congress-farm-states https://www.axios.com/2025/02/03/grassley-trump-tariffs-cong... - Feb 3, 2025