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It's funny how people are concerned about things that haven't happened yet, but the same people for 5 years overlooked the Biden/Ukraine bribery scandal which a

It's funny how people are concerned about things that haven't happened yet, but the same people for 5 years overlooked the Biden/Ukraine bribery scandal which actually happened, along with a bunch of abuses surrounding that. Not least of which is Biden pardoning his whole family for any unspecified crimes they did since 2014.

rat87 2y ago
Because that hasn't happened unlike Trumps actual crimes. Using fiction to justify Trumps real corruption is ridiculous.
- wakawaka28 2y ago
  Corruption is corruption. Trump fought every attack against him like a champ. Biden pardoned his whole family to avoid a fight he knew he would lose due to the facts. He can't hide the money trail. He mishandled classified documents as well but he was deemed unfit for prosecution, yet he remained in office quite a while after that. If Trump can be found to be corrupt for real, then let's see. But everything brought against him up to now, from the Clinton-sponsored Russiagate hoax, the insurrection hoax, the cat lady rape hoax, the stealing nuclear documents hoax, and everything else, has been COMPLETE and OBVIOUS bullshit. It pains me to say that it was obvious because I too was fooled by the media on some of these things at one time.
  - AlexeyBelov 2y ago
    Some people cannot and would not accept any evidence, because they already know in their hearts Trump is "a champ".
    - wakawaka28 2y ago
      I didn't even particularly like him until I realized how rabid the Democrats are, how they falsify everything and bend the law to attack their opposition, and call everyone who questions even 1% of their agenda a Nazi. If Trump is actually proven to be corrupt then I'll change my opinion of course. But I'm not convinced by the Democrats' anti-democratic and often illegal attempts to smear him and anyone who doesn't think Trump is a Nazi.
Paradigma11 2y ago
If you had spent any time reading up on that topic you would know that there never was a coherent argument made about the alleged bribery. There even was a republican lead inquiry at that time which cleared Biden of any wrongdoing. Biden was sent to Ukraine with the clear instruction to get the corrupt AG Shokin removed. That decision was made by the WH and bipartisan senate foreign affairs committee after coordinating with the EU and other parties. And that is what Biden did. It is bizarre to blatantly mischaracterize something that is so well documented.
- wakawaka28 2y ago
  All of you are arguing in bad faith. The media and Biden's own justice department covered for him, even to the point of violating the first amendment and possibly committing treason. Don't give me any crap about "bipartisan" groups clearing Biden which is like 95% dems and 5% RINOs. If Biden was innocent he could have fought the case in court and won just like Trump did when dealing with countless legal attacks over the last 8 years. Instead, he pardoned practically his whole family for everything since 2014, crimes in which he was likely complicit. If that doesn't make you suspicious, then you need your head checked.
  - Paradigma11 2y ago
    I dont care about Biden and think that it is a disgrace that he pardoned his family. But I did follow the Ukraine story when it broke in 2016 (I think) and it soon became clear that there was nothing to it. Again, Biden was sent with the clear directive to Ukraine to achieve the dismissal of Shokin. Which he did. There is ZERO doubt about that. He did not make any decisions that could have been corrupted.
    - ModernMech 2y ago
      > it is a disgrace that he pardoned his family ... it soon became clear that there was nothing to it. I'm curious why you feel this way? To me, because there was nothing to the allegations surrounding Ukraine, the prosecution of Hunter Biden seems entirely political. If he were he any other person, he would not have received the treatment he did for the crimes he committed, which seem like very minor infractions (tax evasion, lying about being on drugs) compared to what was alleged (selling bribes and leveraging US foreign policy with Joe). The Republicans who encouraged that prosecution abused their power, and so I don't see why it should be disgraceful for Biden to similarly abuse his in defense. In normal times POTUS shouldn't pardon his family, but when his political opponents abuse a government committee to come after his family, then it's fair.
jaybrendansmith 2y ago
Your account was created 2 weeks ago. Who are you, and why are you spreading falsehoods on Hacker News?
- wakawaka28 2y ago
  My account definitely wasn't created 2 weeks ago, it's over a year old. You are the one spreading falsehoods. By the way, why are people so political on "Hacker" News? I wouldn't bring it up except for the stunning amount of political garbage I see on here that I happen to disagree with. If not for all the fucking downvotes from people like you I would probably have a thousand karma now. That's the kind of groupthink I'm dealing with here. To add insult to injury I can't downvote anyone myself.
  - AlexeyBelov 2y ago
    Downvotes are capped at -4 per comment. I have your account tagged as a political troll-adjacent. That's because most of your comments since Jan 2 2024 are political and are barely on the line wrt to the guidelines. Sometimes clearly against them. I'm surprised you're still not banned, that must be dang being overly kind (maybe because paulg)
    - wakawaka28 2y ago
      As far as I'm concerned, almost every person who has argued with me about politics has been politically brainwashed and antagonistic in the first comment I replied to, and I have often been brigaded by obvious political operatives or trolls with multiple accounts. If other people can make antagonistic political comments with impunity, why does disagreeing with them put me in the "troll" category? I think you just don't like people who disagree with you by default. This is how the left operates today, and why I get so pissed off nearly every time I have to talk to a left-leaning person. I'm surprised you care enough to bother replying to me. By the way, where are these tags you speak of? I would like to know if I'm arguing with known trolls, or to catalog them for myself.
  - antigeox 2y ago
archagon 2y ago
Lies: https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/12/12/politics/david-weiss-fbi-informant-alexander-smirnov-plea https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/12/12/politics/david-weiss-fbi-...

rat87 2y ago

Because that hasn't happened unlike Trumps actual crimes. Using fiction to justify Trumps real corruption is ridiculous.

wakawaka28 2y ago
Corruption is corruption. Trump fought every attack against him like a champ. Biden pardoned his whole family to avoid a fight he knew he would lose due to the facts. He can't hide the money trail. He mishandled classified documents as well but he was deemed unfit for prosecution, yet he remained in office quite a while after that. If Trump can be found to be corrupt for real, then let's see. But everything brought against him up to now, from the Clinton-sponsored Russiagate hoax, the insurrection hoax, the cat lady rape hoax, the stealing nuclear documents hoax, and everything else, has been COMPLETE and OBVIOUS bullshit. It pains me to say that it was obvious because I too was fooled by the media on some of these things at one time.
- AlexeyBelov 2y ago
  Some people cannot and would not accept any evidence, because they already know in their hearts Trump is "a champ".
  - wakawaka28 2y ago
    I didn't even particularly like him until I realized how rabid the Democrats are, how they falsify everything and bend the law to attack their opposition, and call everyone who questions even 1% of their agenda a Nazi. If Trump is actually proven to be corrupt then I'll change my opinion of course. But I'm not convinced by the Democrats' anti-democratic and often illegal attempts to smear him and anyone who doesn't think Trump is a Nazi.

Paradigma11 2y ago

If you had spent any time reading up on that topic you would know that there never was a coherent argument made about the alleged bribery. There even was a republican lead inquiry at that time which cleared Biden of any wrongdoing. Biden was sent to Ukraine with the clear instruction to get the corrupt AG Shokin removed. That decision was made by the WH and bipartisan senate foreign affairs committee after coordinating with the EU and other parties. And that is what Biden did. It is bizarre to blatantly mischaracterize something that is so well documented.

wakawaka28 2y ago
All of you are arguing in bad faith. The media and Biden's own justice department covered for him, even to the point of violating the first amendment and possibly committing treason. Don't give me any crap about "bipartisan" groups clearing Biden which is like 95% dems and 5% RINOs. If Biden was innocent he could have fought the case in court and won just like Trump did when dealing with countless legal attacks over the last 8 years. Instead, he pardoned practically his whole family for everything since 2014, crimes in which he was likely complicit. If that doesn't make you suspicious, then you need your head checked.
- Paradigma11 2y ago
  I dont care about Biden and think that it is a disgrace that he pardoned his family. But I did follow the Ukraine story when it broke in 2016 (I think) and it soon became clear that there was nothing to it. Again, Biden was sent with the clear directive to Ukraine to achieve the dismissal of Shokin. Which he did. There is ZERO doubt about that. He did not make any decisions that could have been corrupted.
  - ModernMech 2y ago
    > it is a disgrace that he pardoned his family ... it soon became clear that there was nothing to it. I'm curious why you feel this way? To me, because there was nothing to the allegations surrounding Ukraine, the prosecution of Hunter Biden seems entirely political. If he were he any other person, he would not have received the treatment he did for the crimes he committed, which seem like very minor infractions (tax evasion, lying about being on drugs) compared to what was alleged (selling bribes and leveraging US foreign policy with Joe). The Republicans who encouraged that prosecution abused their power, and so I don't see why it should be disgraceful for Biden to similarly abuse his in defense. In normal times POTUS shouldn't pardon his family, but when his political opponents abuse a government committee to come after his family, then it's fair.

jaybrendansmith 2y ago

Your account was created 2 weeks ago. Who are you, and why are you spreading falsehoods on Hacker News?

wakawaka28 2y ago
My account definitely wasn't created 2 weeks ago, it's over a year old. You are the one spreading falsehoods. By the way, why are people so political on "Hacker" News? I wouldn't bring it up except for the stunning amount of political garbage I see on here that I happen to disagree with. If not for all the fucking downvotes from people like you I would probably have a thousand karma now. That's the kind of groupthink I'm dealing with here. To add insult to injury I can't downvote anyone myself.
- AlexeyBelov 2y ago
  Downvotes are capped at -4 per comment. I have your account tagged as a political troll-adjacent. That's because most of your comments since Jan 2 2024 are political and are barely on the line wrt to the guidelines. Sometimes clearly against them. I'm surprised you're still not banned, that must be dang being overly kind (maybe because paulg)
  - wakawaka28 2y ago
    As far as I'm concerned, almost every person who has argued with me about politics has been politically brainwashed and antagonistic in the first comment I replied to, and I have often been brigaded by obvious political operatives or trolls with multiple accounts. If other people can make antagonistic political comments with impunity, why does disagreeing with them put me in the "troll" category? I think you just don't like people who disagree with you by default. This is how the left operates today, and why I get so pissed off nearly every time I have to talk to a left-leaning person. I'm surprised you care enough to bother replying to me. By the way, where are these tags you speak of? I would like to know if I'm arguing with known trolls, or to catalog them for myself.
- antigeox 2y ago

archagon 2y ago

Lies: https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/12/12/politics/david-weiss-fbi-informant-alexander-smirnov-plea https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/12/12/politics/david-weiss-fbi-...