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Leftists also support rule of law and universal constitutional law.

adastra22 2y ago
The distinction is is in the derivative: progressives ("leftist" is less well defined) support the expansion of universal constitution law (which, right or wrong, is a change to the existing law), whereas conservatives except in the case of compelling evidence default to making no changes. Hence, being "conservative" about making changes.
- shadowgovt 2y ago
  This reasoning implies the current President and his party are not conservative, which is an interesting conclusion.
  - adastra22 2y ago
    Yes, that's correct. Why is that an interesting conclusion? Trump is a neo-nationalist (with or without the appended socialist, take your pick), not a conservative. It's notable that the only remaining resistance against Trump in the Republican Party (represented by, e.g. Nikki Haley) are a coalition of conservatives.
    - CalChris 2y ago
      Nikki Haley strongly endorsed Trump at the RNC in 2024. https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/16/politics/nikki-haley-trump-rnc-speech/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/16/politics/nikki-haley-trump-rn... So we can agree that there is no remaining resistance to Trump in the Republican Party and that conservatives are indeed Trumpers.
      - adastra22 2y ago
        Did we forget the vicious campaign she waged in the primaries?
  - b800h 2y ago
    Little is left of what (real) Conservatives were trying to conserve. Now they have to become radicals to shift things back.
    - dxdm 2y ago
      Depends on what your "real' conservatives are keen on preserving. Taking the torch to things one professes to love - things like liberty, human decency and the core tenets of Christianity, that is the opposite of conserving these things. People can delude themselves that defending their own narrow interpretation of what these concepts are supposed to mean is the noble end that justifies a lot. But in the end, it's very simple: what we are and what we bring into the world, is a result of what we do, and not of what we intend. Sowing hate and chaos is just that, and which radical end of the spectrum your justification comes from just does not matter very much.
    - immibis 2y ago
      If they're going backwards, and a conservative is someone who wants things to stay the same, then they are not conservatives.

The distinction is is in the derivative: progressives ("leftist" is less well defined) support the expansion of universal constitution law (which, right or wrong, is a change to the existing law), whereas conservatives except in the case of compelling evidence default to making no changes. Hence, being "conservative" about making changes.

shadowgovt 2y ago
This reasoning implies the current President and his party are not conservative, which is an interesting conclusion.
- adastra22 2y ago
  Yes, that's correct. Why is that an interesting conclusion? Trump is a neo-nationalist (with or without the appended socialist, take your pick), not a conservative. It's notable that the only remaining resistance against Trump in the Republican Party (represented by, e.g. Nikki Haley) are a coalition of conservatives.
  - CalChris 2y ago
    Nikki Haley strongly endorsed Trump at the RNC in 2024. https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/16/politics/nikki-haley-trump-rnc-speech/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/16/politics/nikki-haley-trump-rn... So we can agree that there is no remaining resistance to Trump in the Republican Party and that conservatives are indeed Trumpers.
    - adastra22 2y ago
      Did we forget the vicious campaign she waged in the primaries?
- b800h 2y ago
  Little is left of what (real) Conservatives were trying to conserve. Now they have to become radicals to shift things back.
  - dxdm 2y ago
    Depends on what your "real' conservatives are keen on preserving. Taking the torch to things one professes to love - things like liberty, human decency and the core tenets of Christianity, that is the opposite of conserving these things. People can delude themselves that defending their own narrow interpretation of what these concepts are supposed to mean is the noble end that justifies a lot. But in the end, it's very simple: what we are and what we bring into the world, is a result of what we do, and not of what we intend. Sowing hate and chaos is just that, and which radical end of the spectrum your justification comes from just does not matter very much.
  - immibis 2y ago
    If they're going backwards, and a conservative is someone who wants things to stay the same, then they are not conservatives.