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Why is the American government so hell bent on destroying its own economy? The biggest things they import for Canada aren't even manufactured goods but raw mat

Why is the American government so hell bent on destroying its own economy? The biggest things they import for Canada aren't even manufactured goods but raw materials. The only way to avoid the T tarrif at that point is to import from a different country but there are tarrifs there as well. What is even the end game here? Make China the new biggest game in town?

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stevenwoo 2y ago
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/29/us/politics/elon-musk-trump-economy-hardship.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/29/us/politics/elon-musk-tru... They state they think the temporary pain to consumers and the loss of good will with Canada and Mexico is worth some other goal that will be achieved like they think this will cause American manufacturers to decide to expand in America, also they always talk about tax cuts and tariffs are a way to increase federal revenue without a change in the tax code. There's also the stated justification of fentanyl and undocumented immigrants from Canada and Mexico but the vast majority of both of those comes from Mexico with Chinese connections for some avenues of fentanyl so the Canada thing feels like it's a flimsy excuse to be included just for some bargaining on some other subject, or just to have an accomplishment, like how Trump in first term pushed for TikTok ban, then after winning 2024, Trump undoes ban he initiated in first term to claim that as an accomplishment. Versus say the border wall he promised in 2016 campaign but had a paltry result by 2020. It's like they think a factory or manufacturing plant can be spun up in a few weeks.
- 3vidence 2y ago
  How do you spin up factories for crude oil and potash? America is just an unserious country right now.
  - stevenwoo 2y ago
    I didn't say I agreed with them, merely summarized what they said in 2024 campaign and speculated on other motivations. I think they are entirely serious in their other motivations, they are flooding the zone with actions listed in Project 2025, just doing as many executive actions as possible to keep opponents busy so some will stick.
dismalaf 2y ago
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- 3vidence 2y ago
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    - ModernMech 2y ago
      The demand now seems to be that Canada join the US as the 51st state. This isn’t about trade.
      - dismalaf 2y ago
        The average American makes nearly 60% more than the average Canadian... I doubt many would object.
    - dang 2y ago
      No personal attacks, please, regardless of how wrong someone is or you feel they are. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - dang 2y ago
    No personal attacks, please, regardless of how wrong someone is or you feel they are. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - 3vidence 2y ago
      You're right I apologize felt overly emotional about that comment.
biggestfilm 2y ago
My guess is that Trump does not want the Chinese manufacturers and other multinationals to just jump ship from Mexico where they currently are, to Canada. He wants the manufacturing to be in US. Also, I think he is serious about the fentanyl trades via Canada US Customs and Border Patrol recognizes three regions where fentanyl crosses into the country. These regions are the northern border dividing the US and Canada, the southwest border dividing the US and Mexico, and coastal and interior ports of entry. https://usafacts.org/answers/how-much-fentanyl-is-seized-at-us-borders/country/united-states/ https://usafacts.org/answers/how-much-fentanyl-is-seized-at-...
- awnird 2y ago
  Those are the three regions where literally everything enters the country.
- johnneville 2y ago
  your source shows that last year 50lbs of fentanyl was seized at the canadian border vs 20,610lbs seized at the mexican border. when looking at the total seizure of fentanyl, only .2% of it was at the canadian border. it is hard to take the fentanyl justification seriously given such a dramatic difference.

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stevenwoo 2y ago

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/29/us/politics/elon-musk-trump-economy-hardship.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/29/us/politics/elon-musk-tru... They state they think the temporary pain to consumers and the loss of good will with Canada and Mexico is worth some other goal that will be achieved like they think this will cause American manufacturers to decide to expand in America, also they always talk about tax cuts and tariffs are a way to increase federal revenue without a change in the tax code. There's also the stated justification of fentanyl and undocumented immigrants from Canada and Mexico but the vast majority of both of those comes from Mexico with Chinese connections for some avenues of fentanyl so the Canada thing feels like it's a flimsy excuse to be included just for some bargaining on some other subject, or just to have an accomplishment, like how Trump in first term pushed for TikTok ban, then after winning 2024, Trump undoes ban he initiated in first term to claim that as an accomplishment. Versus say the border wall he promised in 2016 campaign but had a paltry result by 2020. It's like they think a factory or manufacturing plant can be spun up in a few weeks.

3vidence 2y ago
How do you spin up factories for crude oil and potash? America is just an unserious country right now.
- stevenwoo 2y ago
  I didn't say I agreed with them, merely summarized what they said in 2024 campaign and speculated on other motivations. I think they are entirely serious in their other motivations, they are flooding the zone with actions listed in Project 2025, just doing as many executive actions as possible to keep opponents busy so some will stick.

dismalaf 2y ago

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3vidence 2y ago
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- dismalaf 2y ago
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  - ModernMech 2y ago
    The demand now seems to be that Canada join the US as the 51st state. This isn’t about trade.
    - dismalaf 2y ago
      The average American makes nearly 60% more than the average Canadian... I doubt many would object.
  - dang 2y ago
    No personal attacks, please, regardless of how wrong someone is or you feel they are. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- dang 2y ago
  No personal attacks, please, regardless of how wrong someone is or you feel they are. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - 3vidence 2y ago
    You're right I apologize felt overly emotional about that comment.

biggestfilm 2y ago

My guess is that Trump does not want the Chinese manufacturers and other multinationals to just jump ship from Mexico where they currently are, to Canada. He wants the manufacturing to be in US. Also, I think he is serious about the fentanyl trades via Canada US Customs and Border Patrol recognizes three regions where fentanyl crosses into the country. These regions are the northern border dividing the US and Canada, the southwest border dividing the US and Mexico, and coastal and interior ports of entry. https://usafacts.org/answers/how-much-fentanyl-is-seized-at-us-borders/country/united-states/ https://usafacts.org/answers/how-much-fentanyl-is-seized-at-...

awnird 2y ago
Those are the three regions where literally everything enters the country.
johnneville 2y ago
your source shows that last year 50lbs of fentanyl was seized at the canadian border vs 20,610lbs seized at the mexican border. when looking at the total seizure of fentanyl, only .2% of it was at the canadian border. it is hard to take the fentanyl justification seriously given such a dramatic difference.