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The prime minister of Israel and the Anti-Defamation League disagree that it was a Nazi salute.

MrMcCall 2y ago
Clayton Bigsby also approves!
_DeadFred_ 2y ago
Actual Nazi's however were celebrating it. I think they are pretty good at recognizing their own, no? Again, I suggest people use their actual eyes. Look at how he did that motion in the past, how he did his salute, and watch the full motion side by side with actual both those and a 'confirmed, 100% certified' nazi salute. Look at it from the multiple angles.
- olalonde 2y ago
  > Actual Nazi's however were celebrating it. I think they are pretty good at recognizing their own, no? They're not a very bright bunch actually.
  - _DeadFred_ 2y ago
    Your response that people 'not believe their lying eyes' was better than this attempt at humor.
    - olalonde 2y ago
      It was not an attempt at humor.
timeon 2y ago
Would they bite the hand that feeds?
- olalonde 2y ago
  So your theory is that Elon is a Nazi that finances a Jewish state and NGOs devoted to antisemitism? Doesn't seem very Nazi of him.
  - _DeadFred_ 2y ago
    Wanting a place to send jews to can actually be a nazi position. Don't forget Elon went to Israel as a PR move after he endorsed an antisemitic conspiracy theory. https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-68055368 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-68055368
  - archagon 2y ago
    I think the far-right is working to decouple Nazi nativism and symbology from outright antisemitism in service of expanding their political umbrella. Actually, this is already Russia’s position: see how they call Ukrainians neo-Nazis even though the country is run by a Jewish person. In a few years, identifying as a "Nazi" might even be seen as a (semi-ironic) mark of pride.
    - palmfacehn 2y ago
      If we are to believe this, antisemitism is no longer a characteristic. Also, reducing the size and scope of the state, which was previously celebrated as a foundational principle of 18th-19th century liberalism, is now a characteristic of National Socialism. In short, it has nothing to do with the original ideology. The historical record is irrelevant, as are the facts of National Socialist economic policy. Words don't need to have meaning, but the pejorative effect should be preserved for maximum emotional impact. I'm not buying it. Perhaps a more compelling explanation of this phenomenon is that partisans seek to tarnish their opponents by invoking Godwin's law. It seems much simpler and requires less gymnastics.
tzs 2y ago
This comment [1] links to a post of side by side videos of the gesture Musk did and people doing what is definitely a Nazi salute. The motions match pretty much exactly. Whether he intended it as a Nazi salute is not really relevant. The Nazis so completely tainted that gesture that any normal person, if they inadvertently make it, pretty quickly offers an explanation when it is called to their attention. Not Musk. No explanation of what he was actually going for. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42846630 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42846630

Clayton Bigsby also approves!

Actual Nazi's however were celebrating it. I think they are pretty good at recognizing their own, no? Again, I suggest people use their actual eyes. Look at how he did that motion in the past, how he did his salute, and watch the full motion side by side with actual both those and a 'confirmed, 100% certified' nazi salute. Look at it from the multiple angles.

olalonde 2y ago
> Actual Nazi's however were celebrating it. I think they are pretty good at recognizing their own, no? They're not a very bright bunch actually.
- _DeadFred_ 2y ago
  Your response that people 'not believe their lying eyes' was better than this attempt at humor.
  - olalonde 2y ago
    It was not an attempt at humor.

timeon 2y ago

Would they bite the hand that feeds?

olalonde 2y ago
So your theory is that Elon is a Nazi that finances a Jewish state and NGOs devoted to antisemitism? Doesn't seem very Nazi of him.
- _DeadFred_ 2y ago
  Wanting a place to send jews to can actually be a nazi position. Don't forget Elon went to Israel as a PR move after he endorsed an antisemitic conspiracy theory. https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-68055368 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-68055368
- archagon 2y ago
  I think the far-right is working to decouple Nazi nativism and symbology from outright antisemitism in service of expanding their political umbrella. Actually, this is already Russia’s position: see how they call Ukrainians neo-Nazis even though the country is run by a Jewish person. In a few years, identifying as a "Nazi" might even be seen as a (semi-ironic) mark of pride.
  - palmfacehn 2y ago
    If we are to believe this, antisemitism is no longer a characteristic. Also, reducing the size and scope of the state, which was previously celebrated as a foundational principle of 18th-19th century liberalism, is now a characteristic of National Socialism. In short, it has nothing to do with the original ideology. The historical record is irrelevant, as are the facts of National Socialist economic policy. Words don't need to have meaning, but the pejorative effect should be preserved for maximum emotional impact. I'm not buying it. Perhaps a more compelling explanation of this phenomenon is that partisans seek to tarnish their opponents by invoking Godwin's law. It seems much simpler and requires less gymnastics.

tzs 2y ago

This comment [1] links to a post of side by side videos of the gesture Musk did and people doing what is definitely a Nazi salute. The motions match pretty much exactly. Whether he intended it as a Nazi salute is not really relevant. The Nazis so completely tainted that gesture that any normal person, if they inadvertently make it, pretty quickly offers an explanation when it is called to their attention. Not Musk. No explanation of what he was actually going for. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42846630 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42846630