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Conversely, by using their router and modem you move the demarc to the Ethernet port on the inside of the router, which makes getting support significantly easi

Conversely, by using their router and modem you move the demarc to the Ethernet port on the inside of the router, which makes getting support significantly easier. I care about that more than control. And I know damn well they ain’t got time to spy on me. Just because appeals to authority are fun, I spent decades as a network engineer and then architect.

yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
> And I know damn well they ain’t got time to spy on me. What do you mean, "time"? It's automated.
WarOnPrivacy 2y ago
> move the demarc to the Ethernet port on the inside of the router, which makes getting support significantly easier. I care about that more than control. > I spent decades as a network engineer and then architect. As an engineer, you've no interest in hosting your own services?
- bob1029 2y ago
  I'm in the same boat as OP. I used to run my own DIY router setup for about a decade until I realized it wasn't adding much value anymore. Anything that needs to be visible publicly I just throw on a VM in the cloud these days. Keeps my home network "normie proof" and calm. Anyone visiting can find the modem, locate the password and get online without forcing a 45 minute IT change order circus in my own home.
- bc569a80a344f9c 2y ago
  Not at this point. Because it’s not _my_ service. This home network is also used by my wife, by visitors, and by my kids if I had any. Earlier in my career I was using home labs to learn and that was fine. Nowadays I really don’t want any more weekends where I had intended to do nothing or something not related to technology and find myself having to fix something that’s broken for others. I’m fortunate enough to have fun at work, that may well be part of it.
anticensor 2y ago
What if I want demarcation right inside the router?
- bc569a80a344f9c 2y ago
  Telecom models don’t allow for this. Demarcs are ports. One side owns the port, the other side owns the cable that plugs into it.
  - anticensor 2y ago
    If only someone standardised a router layout with customer-owned and provider-owned modules and a neutral, state-owned, bridge hardware. Similar to how TVs deal with conditional access. And no, SFP ports are not a solution to this problem, because they only have 1 plug each side.

yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago

> And I know damn well they ain’t got time to spy on me. What do you mean, "time"? It's automated.

WarOnPrivacy 2y ago

> move the demarc to the Ethernet port on the inside of the router, which makes getting support significantly easier. I care about that more than control. > I spent decades as a network engineer and then architect. As an engineer, you've no interest in hosting your own services?

bob1029 2y ago
I'm in the same boat as OP. I used to run my own DIY router setup for about a decade until I realized it wasn't adding much value anymore. Anything that needs to be visible publicly I just throw on a VM in the cloud these days. Keeps my home network "normie proof" and calm. Anyone visiting can find the modem, locate the password and get online without forcing a 45 minute IT change order circus in my own home.
bc569a80a344f9c 2y ago
Not at this point. Because it’s not _my_ service. This home network is also used by my wife, by visitors, and by my kids if I had any. Earlier in my career I was using home labs to learn and that was fine. Nowadays I really don’t want any more weekends where I had intended to do nothing or something not related to technology and find myself having to fix something that’s broken for others. I’m fortunate enough to have fun at work, that may well be part of it.

anticensor 2y ago

What if I want demarcation right inside the router?

bc569a80a344f9c 2y ago
Telecom models don’t allow for this. Demarcs are ports. One side owns the port, the other side owns the cable that plugs into it.
- anticensor 2y ago
  If only someone standardised a router layout with customer-owned and provider-owned modules and a neutral, state-owned, bridge hardware. Similar to how TVs deal with conditional access. And no, SFP ports are not a solution to this problem, because they only have 1 plug each side.