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Calling them a roaming band or "tactical death squad" is giving far too much credit. It is a handful of crazy people who convinced themselves that a couple mur

Calling them a roaming band or "tactical death squad" is giving far too much credit. It is a handful of crazy people who convinced themselves that a couple murders would solve their problems. In particular the attack on border patrol was obviously random and illogical. And the fact that no one was convicted of the Pennsylvania murders seems to reflect more on the police and prosecutors than the intelligence of the perpetrators.

CamperBob2 2y ago
Speaking of random and illogical, what prompted the Border Patrol to stop their car in the first place, I wonder? None of the news stories have elaborated on that.
- umeshunni 2y ago
  The FBI report says it was a traffic stop. The milemarker 168 seems to be about 10 miles from the Canadian border. https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/albany/news/fbi-albany-update-on-federal-investigation-in-connection-with-the-fatal-shooting-involving-a-us-border-patrol-officer-in-coventry-vermont https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/albany/news/fbi... More information from the police report:https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wycOK3UbaQ9JWZuvo2gpZiDT-0teSWgN/view https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wycOK3UbaQ9JWZuvo2gpZiDT-0t... On January 20, 2025, at approximately 3:00 pm, an on-duty, uniformed United States Border Patrol (USBP) Agent initiated a stop of a blue 2015 Toyota Prius Hatchback with North Carolina license plate number KLA2040 to conduct an immigration inspection as it was driving southbound on Interstate 91 in Coventry, Vermont. The registered owner of the vehicle, Felix Baukholt, a citizen of Germany, appeared to have an expired visa in a Department of Homeland Security database. YOUNGBLUT was driving the Prius, and Baukholt was the lone passenger in the Prius. Multiple uniformed Border Patrol Agents were present at the stop in three USBP vehicles with emergency lights illuminated. (later in the same document) Investigators had been performing periodic surveillance of Baukholt and YOUNGBLUT since on or about Tuesday, January 14, 2025. A concerned citizen-an employee of a hotel in Lyndonville, Vermont--contacted law enforcement after a male and a female had checked into the hotel to report concerns about them, including that they appeared to be dressed in all-black tactical style clothing with protective equipment, with the woman, later identified as YOUNGBLUT, carrying an apparent firearm in an exposed-carry holster. Investigators with VSP and Homeland Security Investigations attempted to initiate a consensual conversation with Baukholt and YOUNGBLUT, but they declined to have an extended conversation, claiming that they were in the vicinity to look at purchasing property. After the contact with law enforcement, the pair checked out of the Lyndonville hotel on the afternoon of January 14, 2025. Investigators later observed the pair in similar tactical dress on Sunday, January 19, 2025, walking in downtown Newport; YOUNGBLUT was observed carrying a handgun at that time.
  - CamperBob2 2y ago
    Right, a traffic stop, but by the Border Patrol? For an "immigration inspection?" Not to put too fine a point on it, these people don't look like the sort who might get "randomly" stopped by the Border Patrol for an "immigration inspection."
    - umeshunni 2y ago
      edited my comment to add some other details I found
  - anon84873628 2y ago
    >The registered owner of the vehicle, Felix Baukholt, a citizen of Germany, appeared to have an expired visa in a Department of Homeland Security database. Presumably the BP had a license plate scanner and this triggered.
  - __turbobrew__ 2y ago
    Sounds like police were already on to them and they just used the excuse of an immigration stop in order to run their ID and search the car. Border patrol can pull you over and search you for any reason within a certain distance from the border — even if you did not cross the border. Reading through zizan stuff they have this idea of “collapse the timeline” which justifies extreme violence in response to subjugation. The idea is if you are being subjugated you should act with extreme violence to deter people from subjugating you, and since you will not be subjugated the path always leads to violence, hence you should “collapse the timeline” and just go straight to violence. The thing is, the US border patrol is not going to back down from your extreme threats of violence so if you want to collapse the timeline you mine as well put a bullet in yourself because that is how things are going to end — and did end — for them.
- Workaccount2 2y ago
  I don't know, but this is ripe material for a documentaries and podcasts, so I'm sure there will be a lot more coming out in the future.
- polynomial 2y ago
  I don't have a link handy, but they were under surveillance for a full week before they were pulled for a "traffic stop."
- werdnapk 2y ago
  Have you ever driven near the border? You'll be flagged for doing anything out of the ordinary with your car. If you have to pull over for a moment to find your passport for example, or if you made a wrong turn and try to turn around, or really anything that looks "suspicious", you risk getting additional searches or being pulled over.

CamperBob2 2y ago

Speaking of random and illogical, what prompted the Border Patrol to stop their car in the first place, I wonder? None of the news stories have elaborated on that.

umeshunni 2y ago
The FBI report says it was a traffic stop. The milemarker 168 seems to be about 10 miles from the Canadian border. https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/albany/news/fbi-albany-update-on-federal-investigation-in-connection-with-the-fatal-shooting-involving-a-us-border-patrol-officer-in-coventry-vermont https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/albany/news/fbi... More information from the police report:https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wycOK3UbaQ9JWZuvo2gpZiDT-0teSWgN/view https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wycOK3UbaQ9JWZuvo2gpZiDT-0t... On January 20, 2025, at approximately 3:00 pm, an on-duty, uniformed United States Border Patrol (USBP) Agent initiated a stop of a blue 2015 Toyota Prius Hatchback with North Carolina license plate number KLA2040 to conduct an immigration inspection as it was driving southbound on Interstate 91 in Coventry, Vermont. The registered owner of the vehicle, Felix Baukholt, a citizen of Germany, appeared to have an expired visa in a Department of Homeland Security database. YOUNGBLUT was driving the Prius, and Baukholt was the lone passenger in the Prius. Multiple uniformed Border Patrol Agents were present at the stop in three USBP vehicles with emergency lights illuminated. (later in the same document) Investigators had been performing periodic surveillance of Baukholt and YOUNGBLUT since on or about Tuesday, January 14, 2025. A concerned citizen-an employee of a hotel in Lyndonville, Vermont--contacted law enforcement after a male and a female had checked into the hotel to report concerns about them, including that they appeared to be dressed in all-black tactical style clothing with protective equipment, with the woman, later identified as YOUNGBLUT, carrying an apparent firearm in an exposed-carry holster. Investigators with VSP and Homeland Security Investigations attempted to initiate a consensual conversation with Baukholt and YOUNGBLUT, but they declined to have an extended conversation, claiming that they were in the vicinity to look at purchasing property. After the contact with law enforcement, the pair checked out of the Lyndonville hotel on the afternoon of January 14, 2025. Investigators later observed the pair in similar tactical dress on Sunday, January 19, 2025, walking in downtown Newport; YOUNGBLUT was observed carrying a handgun at that time.
- CamperBob2 2y ago
  Right, a traffic stop, but by the Border Patrol? For an "immigration inspection?" Not to put too fine a point on it, these people don't look like the sort who might get "randomly" stopped by the Border Patrol for an "immigration inspection."
  - umeshunni 2y ago
    edited my comment to add some other details I found
- anon84873628 2y ago
  >The registered owner of the vehicle, Felix Baukholt, a citizen of Germany, appeared to have an expired visa in a Department of Homeland Security database. Presumably the BP had a license plate scanner and this triggered.
- __turbobrew__ 2y ago
  Sounds like police were already on to them and they just used the excuse of an immigration stop in order to run their ID and search the car. Border patrol can pull you over and search you for any reason within a certain distance from the border — even if you did not cross the border. Reading through zizan stuff they have this idea of “collapse the timeline” which justifies extreme violence in response to subjugation. The idea is if you are being subjugated you should act with extreme violence to deter people from subjugating you, and since you will not be subjugated the path always leads to violence, hence you should “collapse the timeline” and just go straight to violence. The thing is, the US border patrol is not going to back down from your extreme threats of violence so if you want to collapse the timeline you mine as well put a bullet in yourself because that is how things are going to end — and did end — for them.
Workaccount2 2y ago
I don't know, but this is ripe material for a documentaries and podcasts, so I'm sure there will be a lot more coming out in the future.
polynomial 2y ago
I don't have a link handy, but they were under surveillance for a full week before they were pulled for a "traffic stop."
werdnapk 2y ago
Have you ever driven near the border? You'll be flagged for doing anything out of the ordinary with your car. If you have to pull over for a moment to find your passport for example, or if you made a wrong turn and try to turn around, or really anything that looks "suspicious", you risk getting additional searches or being pulled over.