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Elon Musk staff has been caught installing drives inside the OPM office

87 points by belter 2y ago

RegnisGnaw 2y ago
The source is --> The official "Resistance" team of U.S. National Park Service. Our website: www.ourparks.org Any legit source?
- belter 2y ago
  https://www.finance.senate.gov/chairmans-news/wyden-demands-answers-following-report-of-musk-personnel-seeking-access-to-highly-sensitive-us-treasury-payments-system https://www.finance.senate.gov/chairmans-news/wyden-demands-... https://www.reuters.com/world/us/musk-aides-lock-government-workers-out-computer-systems-us-agency-sources-say-2025-01-31/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/musk-aides-lock-government-... https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/musks-team-given-access-us-government-payment-system-new-york-times-says-2025-02-01/ https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/musks-team-given-access-us-...
  - lttlrck 2y ago
    None of those mention "installing drives".
    - belter 2y ago
      They all validate the fact that now, these SpaceX employees https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:th64qrgsvdp4mcljnvkjg7tu/bafkreifzwovd25qlxrctmd7syazxrfwepdw56ubejmb6x3suoyl2xpa66u@jpeg https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:th64qrg... Have all US citizens federal records. Tax information. Medicare and Social Security payments and eligibility. US citizens social security numbers. Bank information and home addresses. This is the biggest breach in history, by non government officials, and you are worried if its drives, USB or a GroK xAI Cloud Drive?
zxspectrum1982 2y ago
What does "Elon Musk staff" mean? DOGE staff? Tesla? SpaceX? X? If it's DOGE staff, then it's not surprising. If it's his private companies' staff, then it smells very bad.
- belter 2y ago
  Companies staff: https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:th64qrgsvdp4mcljnvkjg7tu/bafkreifzwovd25qlxrctmd7syazxrfwepdw56ubejmb6x3suoyl2xpa66u@jpeg https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:th64qrg...
- ungreased0675 2y ago
  Yeah, it’s unclear who specifically is doing what. Is OPM accessing employee records?
- CRConrad 2y ago
  AIUI "DOGE" doesn't even have any staff of its own (yet?), does it? Except maybe Elon and possibly some other techbroligarchs at the very top.
exceptione 2y ago
I am inclined to think this can't be true, but I have to admit that this would be nothing more than cope. The US State is collapsing right in front of our eyes. Frightening. The US public still distracted by imaginary internal enemies, some prefer to keep pretending nothing is happening, others complying out of fear, media moguls distorting information sphere, the mess is complete. Cue a dog in a burning house, "All is fine" All public institutions overtaken, competent people have to leave. What is happening behind the scenes is hidden by a professional chaos actor creating a new crisis everyday. There is not much hope left.
- chiengineer 2y ago
  You forgot to talk about the newest conspiracy man You have to blame DEI and fire all the air traffic controllers duh
  - exceptione 2y ago
    Like air traffic controllers are fungible indeed. Chaos chaos, so the oligarchs and christian nationalists can decapitate the modern state. The stealing and the plundering has begun. 1890 returns while the rest is asleep.
    - chiengineer 2y ago
      Let's just be glad they aren't smart enough to make encryption illegal yet I'll come back next month once it's banned and edit this
    - pixl97 2y ago
      Hell, hope it's the 1890s and not a speed run of the 1930s.
      - chiengineer 2y ago
        The Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act (1930) – A Historical Disaster The Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act is one of the most infamous examples of how tariffs can backfire catastrophically. It was originally intended to protect American farmers and industries from foreign competition during the onset of the Great Depression. However, it exacerbated the economic crisis and led to a global trade collapse. --- Background The Great Depression was beginning in 1929, with the stock market crash causing widespread economic distress. U.S. legislators, led by Senators Reed Smoot and Willis Hawley, passed the tariff to protect domestic agriculture and manufacturing from foreign competition. The law raised tariffs on over 20,000 imported goods, some by as much as 60%. --- The Immediate Consequences 1. Foreign Retaliation and Trade War Over 60 countries retaliated by imposing their own tariffs on U.S. exports. U.S. agricultural exports collapsed as major buyers (like Canada and Europe) stopped purchasing American farm products. Canada, the U.S.'s biggest trading partner, imposed heavy tariffs on American goods, devastating trade between the two countries. 2. Collapse of Global Trade World trade plummeted by 66% between 1929 and 1934. The U.S. saw a 61% decline in its exports in just two years. Many businesses reliant on international trade went bankrupt, worsening unemployment. 3. Massive Job Losses & Economic Depression U.S. industries that depended on international markets suffered major layoffs. Unemployment in the U.S. skyrocketed from 8% in 1930 to 25% by 1933. Small businesses, especially those in farming and manufacturing, collapsed. 4. Agricultural Sector Devastation Farmers were already struggling from falling prices due to overproduction. The tariffs cut off international markets for U.S. farm products, causing massive surpluses and price drops. Thousands of farms went bankrupt, leading to foreclosures and mass migration. --- Long-Term Fallout The tariff is widely blamed for deepening and prolonging the Great Depression in the U.S. It damaged diplomatic relations, making it harder for nations to cooperate economically. By 1934, the U.S. reversed course, with President Franklin D. Roosevelt signing the Reciprocal Trade Agreements Act to lower tariffs and restore trade. Economists today use Smoot-Hawley as a cautionary tale of how protectionist policies can backfire. --- Lessons from Smoot-Hawley for Today Tariffs can lead to retaliation, making U.S. exports suffer more than imports. Trade wars harm both consumers and businesses, driving up costs and causing job losses. Global trade interdependence means isolationist policies are riskier than ever. Economic downturns should be met with stimulus and trade expansion, not restrictions
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fuzzfactor 2y ago
I've always been neutral on Musk, and I don't think all the facts are out, but one thing from the comments is sure as sin: >‪The hero that solves this Musk problem is going to be remembered in the history books forever.
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- Noble6 2y ago
  Any history book promoting an assassin or domestic terrorist would not be legitimate. Single-handedly derailing AI, space, automotive, and social media for personal political ideology will surely be framed in the same way Lee Harvey Oswald is.
  - CRConrad 2y ago
    Who said assassination? Could be that someone convinces him to stop behaving as erratically as he does. (Yeah, doesn't feel all that realistic...) Or someone who finally manages to convince the American public that he isn't a hero but exactly the raiving drug-addled Nazi fucklord he is, so they stop worshipping him as some kind of fucking Capitalist Messiah. Doing either of those would surely merit being called "a hero", wouldn't it?
Mr_Blacky 2y ago
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- chiengineer 2y ago
  Uggghhh sir this is a Wendy's
Mr_Blacky 2y ago
Where is the video?
BloodBox 2y ago
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rmrf100 2y ago
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midnitewarrior 2y ago
Musk wants to know how it works so government payments can be privatized to x.com in an effort to make him a trillionaire and to start outsourcing government function to the broligarchs.
exceptione 2y ago
Again, there is a concerted effort to flag stories that are highly important, actual and factual. The one thing wrong with it is that they are not flattering for the tech oligarchs. The rules to not discuss meta phenomenons are understandable, but they also are divorced from reality at this point. Personally, I would also like to pretend nothing is happening. The pattern of information suppression is undeniable though, and HN should not pretend there is no moral conflict here. We either allow it to happen, or not. @dang, I guess you are tired to death, and that is why I hesitate to bring it up. I think the flagging system makes it too easy to suppress unwelcome information at this point. Maybe you are willing to react?
- dang 2y ago
  > The one thing wrong with it is that they are not flattering for the tech oligarchs HN hosts plenty of threads that are "not flattering for the tech oligarchs", so I don't think we're considering the same things. The issue here is repetition. Avoiding too much repetition on HN's front page is a core principle [1] (or rather, an important consequence of the core principle [2]). There have been quite a few frontpage threads about goings-on in the U.S. government right now (I can think of 4 from yesterday, and there were no doubt more that I've forgotten). It's not all off topic, but at the same time we can't have every one of these threads on the front page—it wouldn't leave any room for anything else, and HN is not primarily a political or current affairs site (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html). Also, it would provoke an even larger backlash from the community (who don't come here primarily for those things) than the one currently complaining about flags. So what do we do? Here is the basic approach: When there's a Major Ongoing Topic (MOT) [3], we tend to downweight follow-ups and less-substantial articles and try to reserve frontpage slots for stories that haven't been discussed yet, have articles that can serve as a foundation for substantive discussion, and contain significant new information [4]. In this way, HN can host a certain amount of frontpage discussion about the latest MOT without being overrun by it. People inevitably disagree about which specific articles are substantive, contain SNI, and so on, but from a moderation point of view the specific composition of articles matters less than the underlying principles [6]. The latter have held up well over the years and haven't changed. Whenever a divisive MOT comes along, the users who feel most passionately always complain that not enough articles are getting through. This time is different, they say, and therefore we should change the rules [5]. The trouble is that "this time" always seems different. HN has been around long enough to undergo (and survive) many of these waves. The main thing we learned from these experiences is no, the rules didn't need to change, and we were right to stick to them. MOTs come and go, no tsunami lasts forever, and preserving HN for its intended purpose is the right strategy. If people want to make a case for a particular article meeting the criteria I mentioned, and deserving to be unflagged and maybe be on the front page, that's great. But please familiarize yourselves with the principles first, so we can be having the same conversation. A common case is when people's strong passions about a MOT make them feel like every related article is critical and needs emergency frontpage accommodation. Then when that doesn't happen, they feel like the system is rigged, oligarchy overlords are suppressing truth, the mods are secretly on the other side, and other intense imaginings. [1] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=curiosity%20repetition%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so... [2] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=curiosity%20optimiz%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor... [3] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20major%20ongoing%20topic&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... [4] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=%22significant%20new%20information%22%20by%3Adang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so... [5] Actually, this being the internet, they're more likely to say things like "the mods are suppressing discussion to serve their masters" and so on. [6] I wrote a different long thing about this a couple weeks ago, should anyone strangely want more: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42787306 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42787306.

87 points by belter 2y ago

The source is --> The official "Resistance" team of U.S. National Park Service. Our website: www.ourparks.org Any legit source?

belter 2y ago
https://www.finance.senate.gov/chairmans-news/wyden-demands-answers-following-report-of-musk-personnel-seeking-access-to-highly-sensitive-us-treasury-payments-system https://www.finance.senate.gov/chairmans-news/wyden-demands-... https://www.reuters.com/world/us/musk-aides-lock-government-workers-out-computer-systems-us-agency-sources-say-2025-01-31/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/musk-aides-lock-government-... https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/musks-team-given-access-us-government-payment-system-new-york-times-says-2025-02-01/ https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/musks-team-given-access-us-...
- lttlrck 2y ago
  None of those mention "installing drives".
  - belter 2y ago
    They all validate the fact that now, these SpaceX employees https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:th64qrgsvdp4mcljnvkjg7tu/bafkreifzwovd25qlxrctmd7syazxrfwepdw56ubejmb6x3suoyl2xpa66u@jpeg https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:th64qrg... Have all US citizens federal records. Tax information. Medicare and Social Security payments and eligibility. US citizens social security numbers. Bank information and home addresses. This is the biggest breach in history, by non government officials, and you are worried if its drives, USB or a GroK xAI Cloud Drive?

zxspectrum1982 2y ago

What does "Elon Musk staff" mean? DOGE staff? Tesla? SpaceX? X? If it's DOGE staff, then it's not surprising. If it's his private companies' staff, then it smells very bad.

belter 2y ago
Companies staff: https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:th64qrgsvdp4mcljnvkjg7tu/bafkreifzwovd25qlxrctmd7syazxrfwepdw56ubejmb6x3suoyl2xpa66u@jpeg https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:th64qrg...
ungreased0675 2y ago
Yeah, it’s unclear who specifically is doing what. Is OPM accessing employee records?
CRConrad 2y ago
AIUI "DOGE" doesn't even have any staff of its own (yet?), does it? Except maybe Elon and possibly some other techbroligarchs at the very top.

exceptione 2y ago

I am inclined to think this can't be true, but I have to admit that this would be nothing more than cope. The US State is collapsing right in front of our eyes. Frightening. The US public still distracted by imaginary internal enemies, some prefer to keep pretending nothing is happening, others complying out of fear, media moguls distorting information sphere, the mess is complete. Cue a dog in a burning house, "All is fine" All public institutions overtaken, competent people have to leave. What is happening behind the scenes is hidden by a professional chaos actor creating a new crisis everyday. There is not much hope left.

chiengineer 2y ago
You forgot to talk about the newest conspiracy man You have to blame DEI and fire all the air traffic controllers duh
- exceptione 2y ago
  Like air traffic controllers are fungible indeed. Chaos chaos, so the oligarchs and christian nationalists can decapitate the modern state. The stealing and the plundering has begun. 1890 returns while the rest is asleep.
  - chiengineer 2y ago
    Let's just be glad they aren't smart enough to make encryption illegal yet I'll come back next month once it's banned and edit this
  - pixl97 2y ago
    Hell, hope it's the 1890s and not a speed run of the 1930s.
    - chiengineer 2y ago
      The Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act (1930) – A Historical Disaster The Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act is one of the most infamous examples of how tariffs can backfire catastrophically. It was originally intended to protect American farmers and industries from foreign competition during the onset of the Great Depression. However, it exacerbated the economic crisis and led to a global trade collapse. --- Background The Great Depression was beginning in 1929, with the stock market crash causing widespread economic distress. U.S. legislators, led by Senators Reed Smoot and Willis Hawley, passed the tariff to protect domestic agriculture and manufacturing from foreign competition. The law raised tariffs on over 20,000 imported goods, some by as much as 60%. --- The Immediate Consequences 1. Foreign Retaliation and Trade War Over 60 countries retaliated by imposing their own tariffs on U.S. exports. U.S. agricultural exports collapsed as major buyers (like Canada and Europe) stopped purchasing American farm products. Canada, the U.S.'s biggest trading partner, imposed heavy tariffs on American goods, devastating trade between the two countries. 2. Collapse of Global Trade World trade plummeted by 66% between 1929 and 1934. The U.S. saw a 61% decline in its exports in just two years. Many businesses reliant on international trade went bankrupt, worsening unemployment. 3. Massive Job Losses & Economic Depression U.S. industries that depended on international markets suffered major layoffs. Unemployment in the U.S. skyrocketed from 8% in 1930 to 25% by 1933. Small businesses, especially those in farming and manufacturing, collapsed. 4. Agricultural Sector Devastation Farmers were already struggling from falling prices due to overproduction. The tariffs cut off international markets for U.S. farm products, causing massive surpluses and price drops. Thousands of farms went bankrupt, leading to foreclosures and mass migration. --- Long-Term Fallout The tariff is widely blamed for deepening and prolonging the Great Depression in the U.S. It damaged diplomatic relations, making it harder for nations to cooperate economically. By 1934, the U.S. reversed course, with President Franklin D. Roosevelt signing the Reciprocal Trade Agreements Act to lower tariffs and restore trade. Economists today use Smoot-Hawley as a cautionary tale of how protectionist policies can backfire. --- Lessons from Smoot-Hawley for Today Tariffs can lead to retaliation, making U.S. exports suffer more than imports. Trade wars harm both consumers and businesses, driving up costs and causing job losses. Global trade interdependence means isolationist policies are riskier than ever. Economic downturns should be met with stimulus and trade expansion, not restrictions

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fuzzfactor 2y ago

I've always been neutral on Musk, and I don't think all the facts are out, but one thing from the comments is sure as sin: >‪The hero that solves this Musk problem is going to be remembered in the history books forever.

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Noble6 2y ago
Any history book promoting an assassin or domestic terrorist would not be legitimate. Single-handedly derailing AI, space, automotive, and social media for personal political ideology will surely be framed in the same way Lee Harvey Oswald is.
- CRConrad 2y ago
  Who said assassination? Could be that someone convinces him to stop behaving as erratically as he does. (Yeah, doesn't feel all that realistic...) Or someone who finally manages to convince the American public that he isn't a hero but exactly the raiving drug-addled Nazi fucklord he is, so they stop worshipping him as some kind of fucking Capitalist Messiah. Doing either of those would surely merit being called "a hero", wouldn't it?

Mr_Blacky 2y ago

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chiengineer 2y ago
Uggghhh sir this is a Wendy's

Mr_Blacky 2y ago

Where is the video?

BloodBox 2y ago

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rmrf100 2y ago

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midnitewarrior 2y ago

Musk wants to know how it works so government payments can be privatized to x.com in an effort to make him a trillionaire and to start outsourcing government function to the broligarchs.

exceptione 2y ago

Again, there is a concerted effort to flag stories that are highly important, actual and factual. The one thing wrong with it is that they are not flattering for the tech oligarchs. The rules to not discuss meta phenomenons are understandable, but they also are divorced from reality at this point. Personally, I would also like to pretend nothing is happening. The pattern of information suppression is undeniable though, and HN should not pretend there is no moral conflict here. We either allow it to happen, or not. @dang, I guess you are tired to death, and that is why I hesitate to bring it up. I think the flagging system makes it too easy to suppress unwelcome information at this point. Maybe you are willing to react?

dang 2y ago
> The one thing wrong with it is that they are not flattering for the tech oligarchs HN hosts plenty of threads that are "not flattering for the tech oligarchs", so I don't think we're considering the same things. The issue here is repetition. Avoiding too much repetition on HN's front page is a core principle [1] (or rather, an important consequence of the core principle [2]). There have been quite a few frontpage threads about goings-on in the U.S. government right now (I can think of 4 from yesterday, and there were no doubt more that I've forgotten). It's not all off topic, but at the same time we can't have every one of these threads on the front page—it wouldn't leave any room for anything else, and HN is not primarily a political or current affairs site (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html). Also, it would provoke an even larger backlash from the community (who don't come here primarily for those things) than the one currently complaining about flags. So what do we do? Here is the basic approach: When there's a Major Ongoing Topic (MOT) [3], we tend to downweight follow-ups and less-substantial articles and try to reserve frontpage slots for stories that haven't been discussed yet, have articles that can serve as a foundation for substantive discussion, and contain significant new information [4]. In this way, HN can host a certain amount of frontpage discussion about the latest MOT without being overrun by it. People inevitably disagree about which specific articles are substantive, contain SNI, and so on, but from a moderation point of view the specific composition of articles matters less than the underlying principles [6]. The latter have held up well over the years and haven't changed. Whenever a divisive MOT comes along, the users who feel most passionately always complain that not enough articles are getting through. This time is different, they say, and therefore we should change the rules [5]. The trouble is that "this time" always seems different. HN has been around long enough to undergo (and survive) many of these waves. The main thing we learned from these experiences is no, the rules didn't need to change, and we were right to stick to them. MOTs come and go, no tsunami lasts forever, and preserving HN for its intended purpose is the right strategy. If people want to make a case for a particular article meeting the criteria I mentioned, and deserving to be unflagged and maybe be on the front page, that's great. But please familiarize yourselves with the principles first, so we can be having the same conversation. A common case is when people's strong passions about a MOT make them feel like every related article is critical and needs emergency frontpage accommodation. Then when that doesn't happen, they feel like the system is rigged, oligarchy overlords are suppressing truth, the mods are secretly on the other side, and other intense imaginings. [1] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=curiosity%20repetition%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so... [2] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=curiosity%20optimiz%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor... [3] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20major%20ongoing%20topic&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... [4] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=%22significant%20new%20information%22%20by%3Adang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so... [5] Actually, this being the internet, they're more likely to say things like "the mods are suppressing discussion to serve their masters" and so on. [6] I wrote a different long thing about this a couple weeks ago, should anyone strangely want more: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42787306 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42787306.