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Thanks the pronouns were confusing me and making it hard for me to follow the complex story. I assumed I made a mistake when the article mentions a Jack and ref

Thanks the pronouns were confusing me and making it hard for me to follow the complex story. I assumed I made a mistake when the article mentions a Jack and refers to them as Jack the whole way through but uses she at the end. Unfortunately the gendered language we use is also the mechanism to provide clues and content as you read the story. So if I can rely on that they need to call it out to help the reader. I'd rather the article mention it. Why are they not? Is this a chilling effect?

jl6 2y ago
It goes unmentioned because there is an unwritten rule in progressive media that marginalized groups must never be perceived as doing wrong, because that will deepen their marginalization. In practice it creates a moral blind spot where the worst extremists get a pass, in the name of protecting the rest. Non-progressive media are all too happy to fill in the gap. Cue resentment, cue backlash, cue Trump. Way to go, guys!
- xereeto 2y ago
  I think that’s a drastic oversimplification.
  - dgfitz 2y ago
    And yet trump is president.
    - smrq 2y ago
      Proving that oversimplification sells.
    - nejsjsjsbsb 2y ago
      Why Trump won is an interesting topic. There is a mixture of reasons but I think high up there was Biden pulling out last minute and Kamala being unpopular with little time to do a campaign. She also had the backfoot of having been in power while there was inflation and support for the Gaza genocide. Therefore Trump won less then Kamala lost. There is a subreddit dedicate to people both democrats who refused to vote, as well as Trump voters whose policies as promised would severely harm them and their family's interesf (severe as in life/death). Why did they vote against their interests. For example anyone on any kind of benefits, or whose mum and dad are, vets or if your cousin or uncle is one, Latino, even if you are from a long line of american citizens you may have friends who are 1st gen. More generally anyone not white, male and in the top 5-10% of wealth. Because tariffs won't be good for poor people. And poor is probably: under $1m assets. Google trends for tariffs surged after the election. People voted on feelings. Anger, despair or some sense of "Trump means them not me" or maybe "He is successful in business so he must be good". Unfortunately the rational thing to do often sucks eggs!
      - adzm 2y ago
        Suck eggs?! Not all of us are making silicon valley wages and can afford such a decadent activity!
      - ars 2y ago
        [flagged]
        saagarjha 2y ago
        > I don't know why you would write that Really?
        ars 2y ago
        I mean it's a pretty serious accusation, and it's false, so just throwing it around like that is not cool.
        saagarjha 2y ago
        I wish I could live in a world as simple as yours.
        ars 2y ago
        Is that your way of acknowledging you don't know anything about this? Because trust me, this is not simple at all, and since you think it is, it just means you don't know anything about it. This is understandable, a lot of people don't. But you should avoid posting about it, there are some VERY motivated people who post about this in every thread, and downvote, and flag. Don't be one of them, they are motivated by hate, and that's not a good place to be.
        saagarjha 2y ago
        Why should I trust you? Nothing you've written here has inspired confidence in your ability to accurately report information or even understand why the people you interact with act the way they do.
    - notjoemama 2y ago
      I follow the thread and can agree in large parts. But given multiple news anchors, news programs, both traditional and online, in combination with social media, content creators and late night TV, I am wholly exhausted by Trump somehow being a magical monster responsible for (just as you’ve demonstrated) in some way every ill in modern society. If he is a narcissist and we are aware narcissists feed on attention and drama and starve in the absence of those things, shouldn’t the best version of activism against him be to deny him mention or attribution? Regardless of how cathartic it might be to openly complain? Imagine getting to the end of this next 4 years and despite what he does, nothing of note can be said about the man. Despite all the EOs, nothing interesting could be discussed. His presidency could be a footnote in history, except for the “activists” going emotionally boneless and apoplectic at every word he says. TBF, it’s not Trump that exhausts me, it’s this. The maniacal blaming for every problem. The incessant injection of Trump and secondarily politics into every conversation and every facet of life. This…neo-activism is as caustic of a solution as the disease it attempts to inoculate. It’s as if everyone has forgetten how to problem solve in the face of adversity. A social fragility whose only method of communication is abject outrage. Ugh.
      - thrance 2y ago
        The guy is passing budgetary laws without congress, has been made untouchable by the supreme court, pardoned the violent Jan 6 rioters (despite claiming to be "pro-order"), constantly scape-goats minorites and leftists, threatens war with allies, colludes with foreign fascists, is doing a thousand illegal sh*t a minute, but somehow this is no big deal and we should just ignore it. Scrutiny and accountability for this systematic dismantling of our democracy is the only sane thing to do. You're either very blind to the gravity of the situation or extremely dishonest.
        zmgsabst 2y ago
        [flagged]
        thrance 2y ago
        Of what exactly? I haven't claimed any conspiracy, that's all stuff Trump bragged about on the news. Bringing up the "criminality of the Biden family" is a legitimately insane thing to do when defending Trump.
- sterlind 2y ago
  conservative media has the opposite rule: make every story about a trans person into a narrative about trans ideology. this should be a story about an ideological cult with trans members, but instead it's a story about the cult of trans ideology. it's called "nut picking" - use the worst examples of a group to tarnish the group as a whole. a good example of this is attacks against Muslim Americans after 9/11.
  - nappy-doo 2y ago
    Is it the same for judging all MAGA as Nazis? I ask that in all earnestness. I am not a MAGA or a MAGA apologist.
    - bigstrat2003 2y ago
      It is much the same thing, yes. The reality that I have experienced is that most Trump voters are decent people who simply disagree with me on the best way to solve the issues facing our country. Not at all a pack of hate-filled Nazis. But humans love to pick on their outgroup, so people simply round "Trump supporter" off to "Nazi bigot" and never bother to reflect that they are simply giving into tribalism.
    - deleted 2y ago
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jl6 2y ago

It goes unmentioned because there is an unwritten rule in progressive media that marginalized groups must never be perceived as doing wrong, because that will deepen their marginalization. In practice it creates a moral blind spot where the worst extremists get a pass, in the name of protecting the rest. Non-progressive media are all too happy to fill in the gap. Cue resentment, cue backlash, cue Trump. Way to go, guys!

xereeto 2y ago
I think that’s a drastic oversimplification.
- dgfitz 2y ago
  And yet trump is president.
  - smrq 2y ago
    Proving that oversimplification sells.
  - nejsjsjsbsb 2y ago
    Why Trump won is an interesting topic. There is a mixture of reasons but I think high up there was Biden pulling out last minute and Kamala being unpopular with little time to do a campaign. She also had the backfoot of having been in power while there was inflation and support for the Gaza genocide. Therefore Trump won less then Kamala lost. There is a subreddit dedicate to people both democrats who refused to vote, as well as Trump voters whose policies as promised would severely harm them and their family's interesf (severe as in life/death). Why did they vote against their interests. For example anyone on any kind of benefits, or whose mum and dad are, vets or if your cousin or uncle is one, Latino, even if you are from a long line of american citizens you may have friends who are 1st gen. More generally anyone not white, male and in the top 5-10% of wealth. Because tariffs won't be good for poor people. And poor is probably: under $1m assets. Google trends for tariffs surged after the election. People voted on feelings. Anger, despair or some sense of "Trump means them not me" or maybe "He is successful in business so he must be good". Unfortunately the rational thing to do often sucks eggs!
    - adzm 2y ago
      Suck eggs?! Not all of us are making silicon valley wages and can afford such a decadent activity!
    - ars 2y ago
      [flagged]
      - saagarjha 2y ago
        > I don't know why you would write that Really?
        ars 2y ago
        I mean it's a pretty serious accusation, and it's false, so just throwing it around like that is not cool.
        saagarjha 2y ago
        I wish I could live in a world as simple as yours.
        ars 2y ago
        Is that your way of acknowledging you don't know anything about this? Because trust me, this is not simple at all, and since you think it is, it just means you don't know anything about it. This is understandable, a lot of people don't. But you should avoid posting about it, there are some VERY motivated people who post about this in every thread, and downvote, and flag. Don't be one of them, they are motivated by hate, and that's not a good place to be.
        saagarjha 2y ago
        Why should I trust you? Nothing you've written here has inspired confidence in your ability to accurately report information or even understand why the people you interact with act the way they do.
  - notjoemama 2y ago
    I follow the thread and can agree in large parts. But given multiple news anchors, news programs, both traditional and online, in combination with social media, content creators and late night TV, I am wholly exhausted by Trump somehow being a magical monster responsible for (just as you’ve demonstrated) in some way every ill in modern society. If he is a narcissist and we are aware narcissists feed on attention and drama and starve in the absence of those things, shouldn’t the best version of activism against him be to deny him mention or attribution? Regardless of how cathartic it might be to openly complain? Imagine getting to the end of this next 4 years and despite what he does, nothing of note can be said about the man. Despite all the EOs, nothing interesting could be discussed. His presidency could be a footnote in history, except for the “activists” going emotionally boneless and apoplectic at every word he says. TBF, it’s not Trump that exhausts me, it’s this. The maniacal blaming for every problem. The incessant injection of Trump and secondarily politics into every conversation and every facet of life. This…neo-activism is as caustic of a solution as the disease it attempts to inoculate. It’s as if everyone has forgetten how to problem solve in the face of adversity. A social fragility whose only method of communication is abject outrage. Ugh.
    - thrance 2y ago
      The guy is passing budgetary laws without congress, has been made untouchable by the supreme court, pardoned the violent Jan 6 rioters (despite claiming to be "pro-order"), constantly scape-goats minorites and leftists, threatens war with allies, colludes with foreign fascists, is doing a thousand illegal sh*t a minute, but somehow this is no big deal and we should just ignore it. Scrutiny and accountability for this systematic dismantling of our democracy is the only sane thing to do. You're either very blind to the gravity of the situation or extremely dishonest.
      - zmgsabst 2y ago
        [flagged]
        thrance 2y ago
        Of what exactly? I haven't claimed any conspiracy, that's all stuff Trump bragged about on the news. Bringing up the "criminality of the Biden family" is a legitimately insane thing to do when defending Trump.
sterlind 2y ago
conservative media has the opposite rule: make every story about a trans person into a narrative about trans ideology. this should be a story about an ideological cult with trans members, but instead it's a story about the cult of trans ideology. it's called "nut picking" - use the worst examples of a group to tarnish the group as a whole. a good example of this is attacks against Muslim Americans after 9/11.
- nappy-doo 2y ago
  Is it the same for judging all MAGA as Nazis? I ask that in all earnestness. I am not a MAGA or a MAGA apologist.
  - bigstrat2003 2y ago
    It is much the same thing, yes. The reality that I have experienced is that most Trump voters are decent people who simply disagree with me on the best way to solve the issues facing our country. Not at all a pack of hate-filled Nazis. But humans love to pick on their outgroup, so people simply round "Trump supporter" off to "Nazi bigot" and never bother to reflect that they are simply giving into tribalism.
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]