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Nothing to see here. Just a massive conflict of interest from an unelected foreigner exacting power over your government.

bmitc 2y ago
An illegal immigrant at that.
- DonHopkins 2y ago
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- jazzyjackson 2y ago
  It’s not illegal for the rich to pay to skip the line. (For the uninitiated, at first glance it would appear Elon was in violation of his J-1 student visa as he didn’t attend classes at Stanford, but he was swiftly employed by way of an H1-B visa and had the paperwork fast tracked through his VC-DC connections. His brother did refer to himself and Elon as illegal immigrants tho, I would say no more illegal than our First Lady.) The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread
  - bmitc 2y ago
    He was never enrolled at Stanford and was working while on a J-1. That is visa fraud. It's likely, because he never even enrolled in classes, that he intentionally applied to Stanford with the intention to never go to school there but to instead use it as a front to start working in Silicon Valley. And it's possible he even overstayed his J-1 visa while waiting on an H1-B.
MarkLowenstein 2y ago
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- mattnewton 2y ago
  Her role was to enforce animal welfare laws. Simply investigating if those were upheld in extremely public examples of cutting chimps heads open who later died, doesn’t appear political to me.
  - MarkLowenstein 2y ago
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    - protimewaster 2y ago
      So they shouldn't investigate anyone since they might not be able to investigate everyone?
    - myvoiceismypass 2y ago
      Umm, investigations into animal cruelty in labs is absolutely not a new thing.
    - mattnewton 2y ago
      What other high profile companies are putting hardware into the heads of chimpanzees? I am not aware of any. And even if it was politically motivated to investigate, the evidence would have to be made public and Musk would have had a day in court to challenge any enforcement actions. Surely the inconvenience to Musk’s legal team and the court system is worth determining if potential charges had merit rather than Musk deciding?
- thelock85 2y ago
  No, not equally. Let’s assume the decision to investigate an inappropriate number of test animals dying (per internal complaints) is completely political. That investigation is just one of many by the inspector… perhaps the others are in most Americans’ interests. And still Musk and government have millions of dollars of contracts in shares interest. Now let’s assume the inspector’s firing was a political move by Musk. All of the other non-connected investigations which may have positive impact are without a lead. And Musk’s other interests in the government are still very much intact. And finally where are the checks and balances when there is no threat of losing re-election.
IncreasePosts 2y ago
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- amazingamazing 2y ago
  I agree, you can disagree with this action without throwing around “foreigner”.
- sundaeofshock 2y ago
  They are either hired following civil service rules, are federal contractors with formal government contracts, or - in rare instances — are vetted and approved by the senate. Musk and his gang of thugs are not federal employees and should not have this level of access.
amazingamazing 2y ago
i actually have no clue - but isnt musk a u.s. citizen? it would actually surprise me if he were not.
- jazzyjackson 2y ago
  It’s a sketchy story, he was technically in violation of his J1 visa since he was skipping classes and picked up an H1B work visa for his own startup which J1 strictly requires prior authorization for. It would seem he had some strings pulled and got post-hoc pre-authorization, or otherwise took advantage of some grace period and applied for the new visa with a fib. It’s all water under the bridge now, from a brief googling Denaturalization is rare except for cases of concealing crimes committed during naturalization or sham marriages. Lying on your application should revoke it from you but if it’s merely an omission, I don’t know, comes down to political will to prosecute, maybe if he pisses trump off enough somebody will “look into it”
  - tempfile 2y ago
    please avoid weasel words like "technically" - he immigrated illegally, and it was not prosecuted because he is white and wealthy. This is important, since he is now part of a very harsh crackdown against people who are much more vulnerable than he ever has been, and who committed less serious and more understandable infractions.
monocasa 2y ago
She was born in Philadelphia. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phyllis_Fong https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phyllis_Fong
- Philpax 2y ago
  Elon Musk, however, was not.
  - smsm42 2y ago
    Right. Because that's how presidential elections work - the president must do everything personally for the next 4 years and is not allowed to use other people to act on his behalf. That's what Biden did all 4 years for example.
- CalRobert 2y ago
  I think they mean Musk
  - jjtheblunt 2y ago
    He's naturalized an American for roughly 20 years.
    - _DeadFred_ 2y ago
      After he broke US immigration law.
      - Terr_ 2y ago
        It would be unfair to retroactively remove someone's citizenship for illegally overstaying their own visa... But if you're punishing the child for their parents doing it, then it's just common-sense justice! /S I'm really tired of all this Calvinball.
        jjtheblunt 2y ago
jmye 2y ago
While Republicans cheer.
gdilla 2y ago
Lots of bros here who support this for some reason. Wait till they come for your 500K salary.
smsm42 2y ago
Trump was elected, and he was born in the US, though he does have German ancestry. As an immigrant myself, I personally find it very worrying though that it becomes normal to use foreign descent as a slur in the American political debate. I thought at least the left is supportive of immigrants, but looks like it's conditional on political views and no person of foreign descent can feel safe from attack because of their origin.

bmitc 2y ago

An illegal immigrant at that.

DonHopkins 2y ago
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jazzyjackson 2y ago
It’s not illegal for the rich to pay to skip the line. (For the uninitiated, at first glance it would appear Elon was in violation of his J-1 student visa as he didn’t attend classes at Stanford, but he was swiftly employed by way of an H1-B visa and had the paperwork fast tracked through his VC-DC connections. His brother did refer to himself and Elon as illegal immigrants tho, I would say no more illegal than our First Lady.) The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread
- bmitc 2y ago
  He was never enrolled at Stanford and was working while on a J-1. That is visa fraud. It's likely, because he never even enrolled in classes, that he intentionally applied to Stanford with the intention to never go to school there but to instead use it as a front to start working in Silicon Valley. And it's possible he even overstayed his J-1 visa while waiting on an H1-B.

MarkLowenstein 2y ago

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mattnewton 2y ago
Her role was to enforce animal welfare laws. Simply investigating if those were upheld in extremely public examples of cutting chimps heads open who later died, doesn’t appear political to me.
- MarkLowenstein 2y ago
  [flagged]
  - protimewaster 2y ago
    So they shouldn't investigate anyone since they might not be able to investigate everyone?
  - myvoiceismypass 2y ago
    Umm, investigations into animal cruelty in labs is absolutely not a new thing.
  - mattnewton 2y ago
    What other high profile companies are putting hardware into the heads of chimpanzees? I am not aware of any. And even if it was politically motivated to investigate, the evidence would have to be made public and Musk would have had a day in court to challenge any enforcement actions. Surely the inconvenience to Musk’s legal team and the court system is worth determining if potential charges had merit rather than Musk deciding?
thelock85 2y ago
No, not equally. Let’s assume the decision to investigate an inappropriate number of test animals dying (per internal complaints) is completely political. That investigation is just one of many by the inspector… perhaps the others are in most Americans’ interests. And still Musk and government have millions of dollars of contracts in shares interest. Now let’s assume the inspector’s firing was a political move by Musk. All of the other non-connected investigations which may have positive impact are without a lead. And Musk’s other interests in the government are still very much intact. And finally where are the checks and balances when there is no threat of losing re-election.

IncreasePosts 2y ago

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amazingamazing 2y ago
I agree, you can disagree with this action without throwing around “foreigner”.
sundaeofshock 2y ago
They are either hired following civil service rules, are federal contractors with formal government contracts, or - in rare instances — are vetted and approved by the senate. Musk and his gang of thugs are not federal employees and should not have this level of access.

amazingamazing 2y ago

i actually have no clue - but isnt musk a u.s. citizen? it would actually surprise me if he were not.

jazzyjackson 2y ago
It’s a sketchy story, he was technically in violation of his J1 visa since he was skipping classes and picked up an H1B work visa for his own startup which J1 strictly requires prior authorization for. It would seem he had some strings pulled and got post-hoc pre-authorization, or otherwise took advantage of some grace period and applied for the new visa with a fib. It’s all water under the bridge now, from a brief googling Denaturalization is rare except for cases of concealing crimes committed during naturalization or sham marriages. Lying on your application should revoke it from you but if it’s merely an omission, I don’t know, comes down to political will to prosecute, maybe if he pisses trump off enough somebody will “look into it”
- tempfile 2y ago
  please avoid weasel words like "technically" - he immigrated illegally, and it was not prosecuted because he is white and wealthy. This is important, since he is now part of a very harsh crackdown against people who are much more vulnerable than he ever has been, and who committed less serious and more understandable infractions.

monocasa 2y ago

She was born in Philadelphia. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phyllis_Fong https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phyllis_Fong

Philpax 2y ago
Elon Musk, however, was not.
- smsm42 2y ago
  Right. Because that's how presidential elections work - the president must do everything personally for the next 4 years and is not allowed to use other people to act on his behalf. That's what Biden did all 4 years for example.
CalRobert 2y ago
I think they mean Musk
- jjtheblunt 2y ago
  He's naturalized an American for roughly 20 years.
  - _DeadFred_ 2y ago
    After he broke US immigration law.
    - Terr_ 2y ago
      It would be unfair to retroactively remove someone's citizenship for illegally overstaying their own visa... But if you're punishing the child for their parents doing it, then it's just common-sense justice! /S I'm really tired of all this Calvinball.
      - jjtheblunt 2y ago

jmye 2y ago

While Republicans cheer.

gdilla 2y ago

Lots of bros here who support this for some reason. Wait till they come for your 500K salary.

smsm42 2y ago

Trump was elected, and he was born in the US, though he does have German ancestry. As an immigrant myself, I personally find it very worrying though that it becomes normal to use foreign descent as a slur in the American political debate. I thought at least the left is supportive of immigrants, but looks like it's conditional on political views and no person of foreign descent can feel safe from attack because of their origin.