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In what way is this supposed to be a relevant detail? Unless you think that they are killing people because they are trans, why should you report that they are

In what way is this supposed to be a relevant detail? Unless you think that they are killing people because they are trans, why should you report that they are part of a marginalized group? If they were mostly blondes or had freckles, should that be part of the story too?

jdminhbg 2y ago
Or what if they were rationalists? Would they include that in the headline?
fasthands9 2y ago
It seems as if the group targeted trans member in their recruitment - and then used evidence of general marginalization to justify their crimes. If you look up old reddit threads about the murder of the landlord, you can see many people defending the crime as the landlord was transphobic. It's not just a random detail like freckles, it seems like the identity shaped the way this group interacted with the world.
loeg 2y ago
They're over-represented by ~1000x compared to background population; that's relevant.
casey2 2y ago
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- dang 2y ago
  Posting slurs like this will get you banned here. Please don't do it again. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - jazzyjackson 2y ago
    What was the slur? Mental illness?
    - some_furry 2y ago
      https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Degenerate https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Degenerate
    - dang 2y ago
      In this case yes, describing entire populations of people that way is a slur.
Levitz 2y ago
It's basically impossible that it's a random irrelevant detail, I'd say any such detail is fair to share. For example, if every member of this group was Indian American I'd consider that a fair detail to note, the chances of that happening at random are minuscule, yet that's orders of magnitude more probable than all of them being trans for no reason.
- aprilthird2021 2y ago
  > the chances of that happening at random are minuscule No it's not, what? People tend to hang out with people similar to them. Most gangs are racially or ethnically homogenous. That's fairly normal. In fact, there are commonly Indian-origin gangs in Canada (I haven't heard of it in the US, but the US has much higher-income immigrants from India overall)

jdminhbg 2y ago

Or what if they were rationalists? Would they include that in the headline?

fasthands9 2y ago

It seems as if the group targeted trans member in their recruitment - and then used evidence of general marginalization to justify their crimes. If you look up old reddit threads about the murder of the landlord, you can see many people defending the crime as the landlord was transphobic. It's not just a random detail like freckles, it seems like the identity shaped the way this group interacted with the world.

loeg 2y ago

They're over-represented by ~1000x compared to background population; that's relevant.

casey2 2y ago

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dang 2y ago
Posting slurs like this will get you banned here. Please don't do it again. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- jazzyjackson 2y ago
  What was the slur? Mental illness?
  - some_furry 2y ago
    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Degenerate https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Degenerate
  - dang 2y ago
    In this case yes, describing entire populations of people that way is a slur.

Levitz 2y ago

It's basically impossible that it's a random irrelevant detail, I'd say any such detail is fair to share. For example, if every member of this group was Indian American I'd consider that a fair detail to note, the chances of that happening at random are minuscule, yet that's orders of magnitude more probable than all of them being trans for no reason.

aprilthird2021 2y ago
> the chances of that happening at random are minuscule No it's not, what? People tend to hang out with people similar to them. Most gangs are racially or ethnically homogenous. That's fairly normal. In fact, there are commonly Indian-origin gangs in Canada (I haven't heard of it in the US, but the US has much higher-income immigrants from India overall)