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Concentration camps have been operated by many regimes, not just the nazis. That equation is in your head. I am however personally pessimistic about the probit

Concentration camps have been operated by many regimes, not just the nazis. That equation is in your head. I am however personally pessimistic about the probity of a camp run on a remote island without any oversight. And I think insisting that everyone wait until after a dictatorship is fully embedded and engaging in retaliation against political enemies (after making open threats to do so) is strategically stupid, much like saying you need to let an asailant get in 4 or 5 punches just to be sure the first two weren't accidental.

khazhoux 2y ago
> Concentration camps have been operated by many regimes, not just the nazis. That equation is in your head. They may been operated by hundreds of regimes, but the term is 100% identified with Nazis now. It's a rather daft statement to say that these are not equated.
- BeetleB 2y ago
  > They may been operated by hundreds of regimes, but the term is 100% identified with Nazis now The reason this is being discussed here is because it isn't.
southernplaces7 2y ago
>I think insisting that everyone wait until after a dictatorship is fully embedded and engaging in retaliation against political enemies You realize this is a democratically elected government whose leader was already president once without a dictatorship? Just a couple of weeks ago a federal court stopped his plans to end birthright citizenship in its tracks, and what was Trump's response? "We'll appeal it in court".... Oh damn! all those dictatoring plans stopped by the monstrous hurdle of constitutionally mandated judicial oversight.... You'd almost think he's not quite.... a dictator. This kind of tedious hyperbole not only ran rampant before and during the first four years, it also made it harder to make genuine criticisms of Trump gain attention. With so much hysteria about every bullshit little thing being touted far and wide as an example of a 21st century Hitlerism, it's easy for the critics to be viewed as a laughing stock except in their own little echo chambers of like-thinkers.
- exe34 2y ago
  he pardoned the January 6 rioters that he sent to the capitol to stop the certification of the election. they can all walk free now including the ones who killed a police officer.
- RealityVoid 2y ago
  So, what would be the red line in the sand for you where you stop and say... "Aw, shit, this guy _really_ is fascist." Because all I've been seeing so far were excuses, he won't do that's (that promptly were then done), contorsions to justify his insane dribble and complete disregard for the law. This guy is going to destroy your country, and it's absolutely mind-boggling people are cheering him.
  - pessimizer 2y ago
    > This guy is going to destroy your country, and it's absolutely mind-boggling people are cheering him. He was already president for four years, and the next four years were so bad for the world and the US that he was asked to come back overwhelmingly. Or it could just be because the Republicans run democratic primaries that party leadership can't just overrule or turn into a mockery, and the Democrats don't. > insane dribble "Drivel." It's a common error.
  - exe34 2y ago
    I love how people keep saying he's disavowed project 2025 while he's in the process of implementing it.

khazhoux 2y ago

> Concentration camps have been operated by many regimes, not just the nazis. That equation is in your head. They may been operated by hundreds of regimes, but the term is 100% identified with Nazis now. It's a rather daft statement to say that these are not equated.

BeetleB 2y ago
> They may been operated by hundreds of regimes, but the term is 100% identified with Nazis now The reason this is being discussed here is because it isn't.

southernplaces7 2y ago

>I think insisting that everyone wait until after a dictatorship is fully embedded and engaging in retaliation against political enemies You realize this is a democratically elected government whose leader was already president once without a dictatorship? Just a couple of weeks ago a federal court stopped his plans to end birthright citizenship in its tracks, and what was Trump's response? "We'll appeal it in court".... Oh damn! all those dictatoring plans stopped by the monstrous hurdle of constitutionally mandated judicial oversight.... You'd almost think he's not quite.... a dictator. This kind of tedious hyperbole not only ran rampant before and during the first four years, it also made it harder to make genuine criticisms of Trump gain attention. With so much hysteria about every bullshit little thing being touted far and wide as an example of a 21st century Hitlerism, it's easy for the critics to be viewed as a laughing stock except in their own little echo chambers of like-thinkers.

exe34 2y ago
he pardoned the January 6 rioters that he sent to the capitol to stop the certification of the election. they can all walk free now including the ones who killed a police officer.
RealityVoid 2y ago
So, what would be the red line in the sand for you where you stop and say... "Aw, shit, this guy _really_ is fascist." Because all I've been seeing so far were excuses, he won't do that's (that promptly were then done), contorsions to justify his insane dribble and complete disregard for the law. This guy is going to destroy your country, and it's absolutely mind-boggling people are cheering him.
- pessimizer 2y ago
  > This guy is going to destroy your country, and it's absolutely mind-boggling people are cheering him. He was already president for four years, and the next four years were so bad for the world and the US that he was asked to come back overwhelmingly. Or it could just be because the Republicans run democratic primaries that party leadership can't just overrule or turn into a mockery, and the Democrats don't. > insane dribble "Drivel." It's a common error.
- exe34 2y ago
  I love how people keep saying he's disavowed project 2025 while he's in the process of implementing it.