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> We are also "gently reminded" often and another rule about showing your face on video. I'm actually buying this being 100% remote. We had more than a couple

by baq 2y ago

> We are also "gently reminded" often and another rule about showing your face on video. I'm actually buying this being 100% remote. We had more than a couple of folks who never showed their faces except for the first interview, never attended any face to face meeting (company sponsored travel and accommodation) and in one case a dude posted a daily update from his second (or third, or seventh) company on our channel by mistake and was pissed off he's getting fired. I'll take the video if this means I can stay 100% remote otherwise they'll announce RTO and I don't even have an office to go to in my country.

ghaff 2y ago
I don't think you always have to be on camera and a cell call is sometimes just fine. But, given that we have the technology, especially for genuinely interactive calls, I agree that people should generally default to video on. And, to the degree that there are face to face offsites, I think you need a really good reason not to attend--and "I don't want to" is not that good reason.
devsda 2y ago
If you believe not being on video is enough for going back to RTO and if you comply, they will just find another absurd reason to go back to RTO.
- baq 2y ago
  I just want them to not have reasonable reasons.
akudha 2y ago
Lets say 10% of people have a side job. Are we gonna put stupid rules in place and piss off the other 90%? That dude who posted updates on the wrong channel? He deserves to get fired. That said, lets say he was doing his job well and he was posting the right updates to the right company channel, then why does anyone care if he has 1 job or 10? Sure it is ethically dubious - so is not providing raises, not keeping up promises, withholding promotions for no reason etc (one of my team mates was hired at a very low salary with the promise that they will pay market rate after 6 months, it has been more than a year now, they refuse to honor their promise. He is fantastic and still gets treated like this). Ethics works both ways. Suppose person A is sharp and fast and finishes his work in 4 hours while person B takes 8 hours for the same set of tasks. Is A going to be paid twice as B? In knowledge work, why does anyone care if a person works 2 hours a day or 20, as long as they finish their work in the agreed upon time?
- A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 2y ago
  << Are we gonna put stupid rules in place and piss off the other 90%? If one is to believe Linkedin crowd, yes. I have long stopped trying to understand that frame of mind. I simply accept that it exists and plan around people with those perspectives.

by baq 2y ago

ghaff 2y ago

I don't think you always have to be on camera and a cell call is sometimes just fine. But, given that we have the technology, especially for genuinely interactive calls, I agree that people should generally default to video on. And, to the degree that there are face to face offsites, I think you need a really good reason not to attend--and "I don't want to" is not that good reason.

devsda 2y ago

If you believe not being on video is enough for going back to RTO and if you comply, they will just find another absurd reason to go back to RTO.

baq 2y ago
I just want them to not have reasonable reasons.

akudha 2y ago

Lets say 10% of people have a side job. Are we gonna put stupid rules in place and piss off the other 90%? That dude who posted updates on the wrong channel? He deserves to get fired. That said, lets say he was doing his job well and he was posting the right updates to the right company channel, then why does anyone care if he has 1 job or 10? Sure it is ethically dubious - so is not providing raises, not keeping up promises, withholding promotions for no reason etc (one of my team mates was hired at a very low salary with the promise that they will pay market rate after 6 months, it has been more than a year now, they refuse to honor their promise. He is fantastic and still gets treated like this). Ethics works both ways. Suppose person A is sharp and fast and finishes his work in 4 hours while person B takes 8 hours for the same set of tasks. Is A going to be paid twice as B? In knowledge work, why does anyone care if a person works 2 hours a day or 20, as long as they finish their work in the agreed upon time?

A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 2y ago
<< Are we gonna put stupid rules in place and piss off the other 90%? If one is to believe Linkedin crowd, yes. I have long stopped trying to understand that frame of mind. I simply accept that it exists and plan around people with those perspectives.