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The tooling argument is contradicting itself: You need a big fat IDE to work with c#. Profiling is not even part of the default tooling, Microsoft tutorials wan

The tooling argument is contradicting itself: You need a big fat IDE to work with c#. Profiling is not even part of the default tooling, Microsoft tutorials want you to upload profiles to external flamegraph tools etc.

pier25 2y ago
> You need a big fat IDE to work with c# Depends on what you do. For backend APIs I thought I'd need Rider (I'm on macOS) but I've been happy using VSCode. I suppose for MAUI or Windows desktop it's different though.
neonsunset 2y ago
> You need a big fat IDE to work with c# This is completely false. On a Mac: brew install --cask visual-studio-code brew install dotnet + install base C# extension. That's all you need to get a language server, a debugger and the full SDK. It can rename symbols, step into implementations, apply standard refactorings, etc. For profiling there are dotnet-trace, dotnet-metrics and various utilities to visualize the traces. You can even wire all that to pprof on Linux. JetBrains tools are very nice but they are by no means a requirement.
- hombre_fatal 2y ago
  While they were probably talking about editing code in a big fat IDE, your instructions still install a big fat IDE just to have a language server. Edit: Oops, I'm wrong. I saw visual-studio-code but read visual-studio.
  - ziml77 2y ago
    If you consider VSC a fat IDE (at half a gigabyte) then just install OmniSharp on its own.
- mystified5016 2y ago
  I used to work on a game where one of the mechanics was that you could write your own C# scripts. In a text box. We compiled the code in the game engine with Roslyn. You don't need an IDE for C# any more than you do for any other language. You can use literally any form of text editing. We use IDEs because they make the job easier.
littlecranky67 2y ago
That is just a false statement. I use VSCode on MacOS for my ASP.NET WebAPI development, including EFcore and SQLite and PostgreSQL. I deploy to Linux and never had any issues. No "fat" IDE needed at all. Btw, I learned writing C# with vim back in 2008 on Mono. You don't need any IDE at all to do anything with C#, all compilation etc. can also be done by invoking the compiler or build system and editing project config files any your editor of choice.
Philadelphia 2y ago
You can develop entirely from text files on the command line
WuxiFingerHold 2y ago
> You need a big fat IDE to work with c#. Nonsense, VS Code, Helix, NeoVim all support C# fine, e.g. https://www.lazyvim.org/extras/lang/omnisharp https://www.lazyvim.org/extras/lang/omnisharp
tester756 2y ago
That "big fat IDE" is a tool, optional one, and is so fucking useful that I wish other programming languages had something at least 80% good as VS for C# is

pier25 2y ago

> You need a big fat IDE to work with c# Depends on what you do. For backend APIs I thought I'd need Rider (I'm on macOS) but I've been happy using VSCode. I suppose for MAUI or Windows desktop it's different though.

neonsunset 2y ago

> You need a big fat IDE to work with c# This is completely false. On a Mac: brew install --cask visual-studio-code brew install dotnet + install base C# extension. That's all you need to get a language server, a debugger and the full SDK. It can rename symbols, step into implementations, apply standard refactorings, etc. For profiling there are dotnet-trace, dotnet-metrics and various utilities to visualize the traces. You can even wire all that to pprof on Linux. JetBrains tools are very nice but they are by no means a requirement.

hombre_fatal 2y ago
While they were probably talking about editing code in a big fat IDE, your instructions still install a big fat IDE just to have a language server. Edit: Oops, I'm wrong. I saw visual-studio-code but read visual-studio.
- ziml77 2y ago
  If you consider VSC a fat IDE (at half a gigabyte) then just install OmniSharp on its own.
mystified5016 2y ago
I used to work on a game where one of the mechanics was that you could write your own C# scripts. In a text box. We compiled the code in the game engine with Roslyn. You don't need an IDE for C# any more than you do for any other language. You can use literally any form of text editing. We use IDEs because they make the job easier.

littlecranky67 2y ago

That is just a false statement. I use VSCode on MacOS for my ASP.NET WebAPI development, including EFcore and SQLite and PostgreSQL. I deploy to Linux and never had any issues. No "fat" IDE needed at all. Btw, I learned writing C# with vim back in 2008 on Mono. You don't need any IDE at all to do anything with C#, all compilation etc. can also be done by invoking the compiler or build system and editing project config files any your editor of choice.

Philadelphia 2y ago

You can develop entirely from text files on the command line

WuxiFingerHold 2y ago

> You need a big fat IDE to work with c#. Nonsense, VS Code, Helix, NeoVim all support C# fine, e.g. https://www.lazyvim.org/extras/lang/omnisharp https://www.lazyvim.org/extras/lang/omnisharp

tester756 2y ago

That "big fat IDE" is a tool, optional one, and is so fucking useful that I wish other programming languages had something at least 80% good as VS for C# is