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It’s smug to say that your group bickering on an Internet forum is “less wrong” than centuries of philosophers and ethicists

azeirah 2y ago
I've always understood it as by using principled rationalism, you will become _less wrong_ over time.
golly_ned 2y ago
They’re really invested in the study of philosophy, epistemology, and ethics and how it applies to their lives, and frequently reference philosophers and ethicists.
- moolcool 2y ago
  Half the time I come across that community online, it’s just love triangles between people with anime profile pictures, “rationalizing” atrocities, and comparing IQ test scores.
slooonz 2y ago
You average grad student in physics is less wrong than Newton in physics (he knows about special relativity for example). It’s not "smugness", of course building on the shoulders of those who comes before means building better than them.
- moolcool 2y ago
  But that’s the thing— they are quick to discard those ideas when confronted with the promises of technology and AI. As if glorified Markov chains are somehow going to alter our essential humanity. See the trans-humanists, or that guy who injects his son’s blood.
  - slooonz 2y ago
    Ironically, you exemplify the standard of discourse that the rationalist spaces of discussion like lesswrong strives to go above, which is what makes them so valuable. Loaded question (well, affirmation), on a confident sneery tone while using poorly defined terms ("essential humanity") and very poor comprehension of object-level facts of the ground ("Markov chains"). And no sign of even trying to understand the other side, just trying to score rhetoric points on a internet board.
    - moolcool 2y ago
      > Ironically, you exemplify the standard of discourse that the rationalist spaces of discussion like lesswrong strives to go above, which is what makes them so valuable. I guess I misunderstood then. It’s not just an Internet forum. It’s an internet forum with strict moderators. And it’s _very_ valuable.

azeirah 2y ago

I've always understood it as by using principled rationalism, you will become _less wrong_ over time.

golly_ned 2y ago

They’re really invested in the study of philosophy, epistemology, and ethics and how it applies to their lives, and frequently reference philosophers and ethicists.

moolcool 2y ago
Half the time I come across that community online, it’s just love triangles between people with anime profile pictures, “rationalizing” atrocities, and comparing IQ test scores.

slooonz 2y ago

You average grad student in physics is less wrong than Newton in physics (he knows about special relativity for example). It’s not "smugness", of course building on the shoulders of those who comes before means building better than them.

moolcool 2y ago
But that’s the thing— they are quick to discard those ideas when confronted with the promises of technology and AI. As if glorified Markov chains are somehow going to alter our essential humanity. See the trans-humanists, or that guy who injects his son’s blood.
- slooonz 2y ago
  Ironically, you exemplify the standard of discourse that the rationalist spaces of discussion like lesswrong strives to go above, which is what makes them so valuable. Loaded question (well, affirmation), on a confident sneery tone while using poorly defined terms ("essential humanity") and very poor comprehension of object-level facts of the ground ("Markov chains"). And no sign of even trying to understand the other side, just trying to score rhetoric points on a internet board.
  - moolcool 2y ago
    > Ironically, you exemplify the standard of discourse that the rationalist spaces of discussion like lesswrong strives to go above, which is what makes them so valuable. I guess I misunderstood then. It’s not just an Internet forum. It’s an internet forum with strict moderators. And it’s _very_ valuable.