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The US is undergoing a fascist takeover basically.

nehal3m 2y ago
You’re being downvoted but looking from the outside in, Gitmo being scaled up to house 30k people that the administration expects never to be able to repatriate, an unelected billionaire running around destroying institutions and a president actively starting trade wars and threatening occupation with allies looks an awful lot like it.
- RIMR 2y ago
  People aren't downvoting because they disagree about what's happening. They are downvoting because they agree with fascism, but don't like it when people say the truth out loud. It's a fundamental reality of fascism that those who support it will also deflect all valid criticism of their movement. A majority of U.S. voters chose this. After all that was already known about this admin, they aren't backing down, he's doing what he promised he would do. It is going to be more catastrophic than I think anyone knows.
  - CalRobert 2y ago
    Nitpick - fewer than fifty percent of votes went to trump
    - 0xcde4c3db 2y ago
      I was sure this was wrong, but it's true: according to official state counts, Donald Trump won 49.80% of the popular vote to Kamala Harris's 48.32%. The top 5 was rounded out by Jill Stein (0.56%), Robert F. Kennedy Jr. (0.49%), and Chase Oliver (0.42%) [1]. [1] https://www.fec.gov/resources/cms-content/documents/2024presgeresults.pdf https://www.fec.gov/resources/cms-content/documents/2024pres... (yes, I'm aware of the irony of linking to federal agency data in this thread)
      - Applejinx 2y ago
        archive it, quick! Can't have that data around contradicting the landslide and all :)
      - chasd00 2y ago
        Why would it be surprising enough to need verification? There was more than 2 candidates and the US presidential election is always very close.
      - roenxi 2y ago
        While technically true the difference between 49.8 and 50.01 is quite small and not very interesting. I think the major point was probably that a lot of US citizens don't vote.
  - dylan604 2y ago
    He also has the assurance from SCOTUS that he can do no wrong as POTUS. That's a very disconcerting thought about the supposed checks and balances. Now that his party controls both houses, he'll never be impeached for anything he does either. And that was the one limit that Trump was stipulating existed--the only way POTUS could get in trouble was to be convicted in the Senate after the House impeaches. So he essentially is untouchable.
  - honestSysAdmin 2y ago
    If fascism means secure borders, an end to the kinetic conflict in Ukraine, an end to social media censorship, and a booming economy, more than half the country will vote for fascism. Promises fulfilled or not aside.
    - klipt 2y ago
      Trump tariffs are definitely not going to make the economy boom...
      - honestSysAdmin 2y ago
        "The government of Columbia has agreed to all of President Trump's terms, including the unrestricted acceptance of all illegal aliens from Colombia returned from the United States, including on U.S. military aircraft, without limitation or delay. Based on this agreement, the fully drafted IEEPA tariffs and sanctions will be held in reserve, and not signed, unless Colombia fails to honor this agreement. The visa sanctions issued by the State Department, and enhanced inspections from Customs and Border Protection, will remain in effect until the first planeload of Colombian deportees is successfully returned. Today's events make clear to the world that America is respected again. President Trump will continue to fiercely protect our nation's sovereignty, and he expects all other nations of the world to fully cooperate in accepting the deportation of their citizens illegally present in the United States."
        djur 2y ago
        This is literally a Trump press release. Are you aware there were new tariffs announced today?
        nehal3m 2y ago
        And how does this make the economy boom, exactly?
        honestSysAdmin 2y ago
        "Some things are more important than GDP".
liontwist 2y ago
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- nehal3m 2y ago
  Whether or not you’ve been duly elected has nothing to do with whether or not you behave like a fascist afterwards. Most fascists were elected.
  - liontwist 2y ago
    Indeed 20th century fascist revolutions used the guise of law for their takeover. Following them would include banning the existence of other parties, changing the constitution to give all power to executive, cancelling elections, etc. I assumed the poster was using facist to mean “bad authoritarian government” - not that trump is actually a disciple of Mussolini style philosophy. Right now the democratic system is working as designed, minus the incredible power of the executive branch which has been built up since FDR. Obama pioneered this approach to executive order.
    - nehal3m 2y ago
      If you ask me those are boxes yet to be ticked, but we’ll see.
    - shigawire 2y ago
      >Following them would include banning the existence of other parties, changing the constitution to give all power to executive, cancelling elections, etc. Let's check back on these in a few years (months?).
    - tremon 2y ago
      Following them would include Basically, your argument boils down to "you're wrong, the current sitation is not fascist enough yet"? banning the existence of other parties They don't need to. Similar to Russia, they will allow the appearance of other parties and elections, but the outcomes will be pre-determined. changing the constitution to give all power to executive SCOTUS has already done that: everything the president does is legal by default. cancelling elections Again, they won't need to. They proved in November that they already have done the right amount of voter disenfranchisement and gerrymandering to secure a win.
libertarian1 2y ago
Lmao. Nope. US is reclaiming the common sense
- DangitBobby 2y ago
  I won't argue about immigration here because I don't want to get mired in that shit, but what is common sense about denying the existence of climate change and attempting to destroy/reverse our progress as a nation against it, and further engaging in activities to make it worse rather than alleviate it? What is common sense about sewing chaos in the federal government, inhibiting it's ability to function? In removing datasets that help us keep track of how effective our actions are?

You’re being downvoted but looking from the outside in, Gitmo being scaled up to house 30k people that the administration expects never to be able to repatriate, an unelected billionaire running around destroying institutions and a president actively starting trade wars and threatening occupation with allies looks an awful lot like it.

RIMR 2y ago
People aren't downvoting because they disagree about what's happening. They are downvoting because they agree with fascism, but don't like it when people say the truth out loud. It's a fundamental reality of fascism that those who support it will also deflect all valid criticism of their movement. A majority of U.S. voters chose this. After all that was already known about this admin, they aren't backing down, he's doing what he promised he would do. It is going to be more catastrophic than I think anyone knows.
- CalRobert 2y ago
  Nitpick - fewer than fifty percent of votes went to trump
  - 0xcde4c3db 2y ago
    I was sure this was wrong, but it's true: according to official state counts, Donald Trump won 49.80% of the popular vote to Kamala Harris's 48.32%. The top 5 was rounded out by Jill Stein (0.56%), Robert F. Kennedy Jr. (0.49%), and Chase Oliver (0.42%) [1]. [1] https://www.fec.gov/resources/cms-content/documents/2024presgeresults.pdf https://www.fec.gov/resources/cms-content/documents/2024pres... (yes, I'm aware of the irony of linking to federal agency data in this thread)
    - Applejinx 2y ago
      archive it, quick! Can't have that data around contradicting the landslide and all :)
    - chasd00 2y ago
      Why would it be surprising enough to need verification? There was more than 2 candidates and the US presidential election is always very close.
    - roenxi 2y ago
      While technically true the difference between 49.8 and 50.01 is quite small and not very interesting. I think the major point was probably that a lot of US citizens don't vote.
- dylan604 2y ago
  He also has the assurance from SCOTUS that he can do no wrong as POTUS. That's a very disconcerting thought about the supposed checks and balances. Now that his party controls both houses, he'll never be impeached for anything he does either. And that was the one limit that Trump was stipulating existed--the only way POTUS could get in trouble was to be convicted in the Senate after the House impeaches. So he essentially is untouchable.
- honestSysAdmin 2y ago
  If fascism means secure borders, an end to the kinetic conflict in Ukraine, an end to social media censorship, and a booming economy, more than half the country will vote for fascism. Promises fulfilled or not aside.
  - klipt 2y ago
    Trump tariffs are definitely not going to make the economy boom...
    - honestSysAdmin 2y ago
      "The government of Columbia has agreed to all of President Trump's terms, including the unrestricted acceptance of all illegal aliens from Colombia returned from the United States, including on U.S. military aircraft, without limitation or delay. Based on this agreement, the fully drafted IEEPA tariffs and sanctions will be held in reserve, and not signed, unless Colombia fails to honor this agreement. The visa sanctions issued by the State Department, and enhanced inspections from Customs and Border Protection, will remain in effect until the first planeload of Colombian deportees is successfully returned. Today's events make clear to the world that America is respected again. President Trump will continue to fiercely protect our nation's sovereignty, and he expects all other nations of the world to fully cooperate in accepting the deportation of their citizens illegally present in the United States."
      - djur 2y ago
        This is literally a Trump press release. Are you aware there were new tariffs announced today?
      - nehal3m 2y ago
        And how does this make the economy boom, exactly?
        honestSysAdmin 2y ago
        "Some things are more important than GDP".

liontwist 2y ago

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nehal3m 2y ago
Whether or not you’ve been duly elected has nothing to do with whether or not you behave like a fascist afterwards. Most fascists were elected.
- liontwist 2y ago
  Indeed 20th century fascist revolutions used the guise of law for their takeover. Following them would include banning the existence of other parties, changing the constitution to give all power to executive, cancelling elections, etc. I assumed the poster was using facist to mean “bad authoritarian government” - not that trump is actually a disciple of Mussolini style philosophy. Right now the democratic system is working as designed, minus the incredible power of the executive branch which has been built up since FDR. Obama pioneered this approach to executive order.
  - nehal3m 2y ago
    If you ask me those are boxes yet to be ticked, but we’ll see.
  - shigawire 2y ago
    >Following them would include banning the existence of other parties, changing the constitution to give all power to executive, cancelling elections, etc. Let's check back on these in a few years (months?).
  - tremon 2y ago
    Following them would include Basically, your argument boils down to "you're wrong, the current sitation is not fascist enough yet"? banning the existence of other parties They don't need to. Similar to Russia, they will allow the appearance of other parties and elections, but the outcomes will be pre-determined. changing the constitution to give all power to executive SCOTUS has already done that: everything the president does is legal by default. cancelling elections Again, they won't need to. They proved in November that they already have done the right amount of voter disenfranchisement and gerrymandering to secure a win.

libertarian1 2y ago

Lmao. Nope. US is reclaiming the common sense

DangitBobby 2y ago
I won't argue about immigration here because I don't want to get mired in that shit, but what is common sense about denying the existence of climate change and attempting to destroy/reverse our progress as a nation against it, and further engaging in activities to make it worse rather than alleviate it? What is common sense about sewing chaos in the federal government, inhibiting it's ability to function? In removing datasets that help us keep track of how effective our actions are?