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It's funny because as I read the article, one thought was "the slop results look like they came from very old models" Use a model released this week and the re

It's funny because as I read the article, one thought was "the slop results look like they came from very old models" Use a model released this week and the results are (to my untrained eye) no longer distinguishable from a human artist: https://imgur.com/a/tgEsXq8 https://imgur.com/a/tgEsXq8 And it wasn't some pro image prompting magic. Even compared to 12 months ago, the text encoders have very good. I was able to use wording that came to me naturally and get an aesthetically pleasing result in seconds.

ebalit 2y ago
You mentioned a model released this week. Is it Lumina new model by any chance?
- BoorishBears 2y ago
  Imagen 3 002
otabdeveloper4 2y ago
The reason AI slop is slop isn't because models are not advanced enough. The slop factor is inherent in the way AI works and cannot be fixed by brute force compute power. AI is likelihood optimization under the hood. It draws the most statistically likely image. The human brain and eye is very good at picking out "average" pictures. Turns out our in-built AI detection capabilities are very, very good. (This might actually kill the AI industry very quickly. I imagine in a couple years AI-generated pictures or texts will be the lamest thing ever, and AI companies will lose a shitload of money in this arms race.)
- BoorishBears 2y ago
  a) I linked to an entire album of pictures that 99% of the population would not identify as AI, including the population that knows what AI slop is. b) This is a gross oversimplification to the point of being unhelpful and pretty much wrong. You don't seem very familar with how these models work. There is no inherent reason why sampling from the latent space of a model limits us to average of any concept. Not to mention the models are learning what average means and what exceptional means and can increasingly produce both at will. As they get larger the degrees of seperation between those "sub-concepts" of each concept grow larger and larger. The reality is humans are good at convincing themselves they're good at things. The false positive and false negative rates are already going up for AI art, and it's only going to accelerate from here on out.
  - otabdeveloper4 2y ago
    > that 99% of the population would not identify as AI Absolutely not true about the "99%". Give it a couple years and not being able to spot AI slop will permanently mark you as an "okay boomer" tech illiterate slob. AI == lame, square, uncool. We already see this with the AI assistants they keep putting into OS updates. People hate them, and not for "privacy" reasons. They just don't want to be lame.
    - BoorishBears 2y ago
      Again, can you point out to even a single giveaway for that album? I'm honestly convinced you plain didn't realize the entire Imgur album was AI generated and that's why you haven't been able to address it.
      - otabdeveloper4 2y ago
        AI is lame, kids hate that stuff. Positioning yourself as some sort of "AI expert connoisseur" will only make you look lamer.
        BoorishBears 2y ago
        You had 3 days and that was the best you could do?
- raincole 2y ago
  This comment can't be further from reality. If you show this (https://imgur.com/a/tgEsXq8 https://imgur.com/a/tgEsXq8) to people, their "very, very good built-in AI detection" won't bat an eye. > This might actually kill the AI industry very quickly Yes it will, but not in the way you implied. In a few years AI assisted image creation will be so common that no one will bother mentioning "AI" anymore, effectively "kill" the AI hype. Just like you can't sell built-in webcam as a feature of a laptop: every laptop has it.

ebalit 2y ago

You mentioned a model released this week. Is it Lumina new model by any chance?

BoorishBears 2y ago
Imagen 3 002

otabdeveloper4 2y ago

The reason AI slop is slop isn't because models are not advanced enough. The slop factor is inherent in the way AI works and cannot be fixed by brute force compute power. AI is likelihood optimization under the hood. It draws the most statistically likely image. The human brain and eye is very good at picking out "average" pictures. Turns out our in-built AI detection capabilities are very, very good. (This might actually kill the AI industry very quickly. I imagine in a couple years AI-generated pictures or texts will be the lamest thing ever, and AI companies will lose a shitload of money in this arms race.)

BoorishBears 2y ago
a) I linked to an entire album of pictures that 99% of the population would not identify as AI, including the population that knows what AI slop is. b) This is a gross oversimplification to the point of being unhelpful and pretty much wrong. You don't seem very familar with how these models work. There is no inherent reason why sampling from the latent space of a model limits us to average of any concept. Not to mention the models are learning what average means and what exceptional means and can increasingly produce both at will. As they get larger the degrees of seperation between those "sub-concepts" of each concept grow larger and larger. The reality is humans are good at convincing themselves they're good at things. The false positive and false negative rates are already going up for AI art, and it's only going to accelerate from here on out.
- otabdeveloper4 2y ago
  > that 99% of the population would not identify as AI Absolutely not true about the "99%". Give it a couple years and not being able to spot AI slop will permanently mark you as an "okay boomer" tech illiterate slob. AI == lame, square, uncool. We already see this with the AI assistants they keep putting into OS updates. People hate them, and not for "privacy" reasons. They just don't want to be lame.
  - BoorishBears 2y ago
    Again, can you point out to even a single giveaway for that album? I'm honestly convinced you plain didn't realize the entire Imgur album was AI generated and that's why you haven't been able to address it.
    - otabdeveloper4 2y ago
      AI is lame, kids hate that stuff. Positioning yourself as some sort of "AI expert connoisseur" will only make you look lamer.
      - BoorishBears 2y ago
        You had 3 days and that was the best you could do?
raincole 2y ago
This comment can't be further from reality. If you show this (https://imgur.com/a/tgEsXq8 https://imgur.com/a/tgEsXq8) to people, their "very, very good built-in AI detection" won't bat an eye. > This might actually kill the AI industry very quickly Yes it will, but not in the way you implied. In a few years AI assisted image creation will be so common that no one will bother mentioning "AI" anymore, effectively "kill" the AI hype. Just like you can't sell built-in webcam as a feature of a laptop: every laptop has it.