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> Says the democrat who did nothing when Gavin Newsom made it illegal to check for ID at California polls. All these other countries check ID for voting, you de

> Says the democrat who did nothing when Gavin Newsom made it illegal to check for ID at California polls. All these other countries check ID for voting, you democrats don't want it, why is that? https://www.democracydocket.com/news-alerts/california-gover https://www.democracydocket.com/news-alerts/california-gover... Here you go, I know I'm a little confused as to your point here. The article you link says that to register to vote, you have to prove your identity and validity to vote via a driver’s license number, a California identification number, or the last four digits of their social security number. To vote, you need to verify your voter registration information. What exactly does requiring you to verify your registration in addition to the information previously validated to register? Is the belief that illegal voters are able to fraudulently register but wouldn't use the same fraudulent information the day of the vote?

ChrisNorstrom 2y ago
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- unsnap_biceps 2y ago
  Phantom voters would require an ID to be created before they can register to vote, so an ID check wouldn't help. With thousands registered at one address. From your article, the proposed law didn't limit valid voters based upon their id address. So I don't see how it would help. Dead voters are removed from the registration database and wouldn't be counted, unless they passed away out of country. Moved out of state would be a possibility, but the person that moved would have to have not received a new id or license in their new state, which may happen but seems largely unlikely. Do you have any data showing how large these potential issues are? Checking id correctly at time of vote slows down the process and causes less people to vote. If there's a meaningful amount of fraud, it should be investigated and fixed, but we should strive towards allowing as many of our fellow citizens to vote as we can. I'm just unsure that there's a level of fraud from your examples that would balance out the reduction in people voting. But if you have data to back it up, I'm happy to read it and possibly change my opinion.
  - ChrisNorstrom 2y ago
    Do you realise without an ID to vote, you can literally just walk into a polling place and pretend to be your brother vote, then walk into another polling place pretending to be a male friend you know and vote, then walk to another polling place and pretend to be your neighbor and vote. And you won't get caught if you are certain that the original voter won't vote. "just go to to the registration table. Say your name and address and sign the list of voters. A poll worker will give you a ballot." That's it. That's all you need. Just your name, the address, and just forge a signature. Checking id correctly at time of vote slows down the process and causes less people to vote. I have always used my ID to vote for decades and it's always been instant, I just scan it at the polling location and in less than 2 seconds I'm given a ballot. I do agree that some demographics do not have the money or simply do not care to get an ID, drivers license. I support a law that gives them one for free. The following is an incomplete MAP of countries that require ID to vote: https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/tujqxf/voter_id_laws_around_the_world/ https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/tujqxf/voter_id_la... The following is an incomplete list of countries that do and do not require ID to vote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_identification_laws https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_identification_laws My reasoning is this. If you know someone else's information you can pretend to be them to vote. If you have a family of 5, all registered voters because they registered decades ago, and none of them want to vote. You can literally just walk into a polling location and pretend to be one of your brothers or a friend you know isn't voting, and cast a vote on their behalf. And keep doing this over and over at different polling locations if you're in a state that allows you to go to any polling location. Seriously, is it really that hard to just ask for ID when voting? I support giving ID cards for free, I support making voting day a national holiday or forcing it to be on a Saturday or Sunday when everyone is off. 79% of Americans surveyed by Gallup support voter ID: https://news.gallup.com/poll/403052/eight-americans-favor-early-voting-photo-laws.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/403052/eight-americans-favor-ea....
    - relaxing 2y ago
      > just forge a signature Hard to do in practice. Arouse any suspicion and now the authorities are contacting the real voter asking them why their signature doesn’t match and the jig is up. And you have to scale up 1000x to make an impact, which means conspiracy, which multiplies the likelihood of getting caught. No, despite what you’ve been told the way to rig an election is not at the ballot box. It’s a scheme to disenfranchise the poor who don’t drive, plain and simple. Voting holiday and a massive, ongoing, census-level government outreach to ensure everyone gets and maintains an ID would be fine, but of course the right wing legislatures don’t want that.

ChrisNorstrom 2y ago

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unsnap_biceps 2y ago
Phantom voters would require an ID to be created before they can register to vote, so an ID check wouldn't help. With thousands registered at one address. From your article, the proposed law didn't limit valid voters based upon their id address. So I don't see how it would help. Dead voters are removed from the registration database and wouldn't be counted, unless they passed away out of country. Moved out of state would be a possibility, but the person that moved would have to have not received a new id or license in their new state, which may happen but seems largely unlikely. Do you have any data showing how large these potential issues are? Checking id correctly at time of vote slows down the process and causes less people to vote. If there's a meaningful amount of fraud, it should be investigated and fixed, but we should strive towards allowing as many of our fellow citizens to vote as we can. I'm just unsure that there's a level of fraud from your examples that would balance out the reduction in people voting. But if you have data to back it up, I'm happy to read it and possibly change my opinion.
- ChrisNorstrom 2y ago
  Do you realise without an ID to vote, you can literally just walk into a polling place and pretend to be your brother vote, then walk into another polling place pretending to be a male friend you know and vote, then walk to another polling place and pretend to be your neighbor and vote. And you won't get caught if you are certain that the original voter won't vote. "just go to to the registration table. Say your name and address and sign the list of voters. A poll worker will give you a ballot." That's it. That's all you need. Just your name, the address, and just forge a signature. Checking id correctly at time of vote slows down the process and causes less people to vote. I have always used my ID to vote for decades and it's always been instant, I just scan it at the polling location and in less than 2 seconds I'm given a ballot. I do agree that some demographics do not have the money or simply do not care to get an ID, drivers license. I support a law that gives them one for free. The following is an incomplete MAP of countries that require ID to vote: https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/tujqxf/voter_id_laws_around_the_world/ https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/tujqxf/voter_id_la... The following is an incomplete list of countries that do and do not require ID to vote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_identification_laws https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_identification_laws My reasoning is this. If you know someone else's information you can pretend to be them to vote. If you have a family of 5, all registered voters because they registered decades ago, and none of them want to vote. You can literally just walk into a polling location and pretend to be one of your brothers or a friend you know isn't voting, and cast a vote on their behalf. And keep doing this over and over at different polling locations if you're in a state that allows you to go to any polling location. Seriously, is it really that hard to just ask for ID when voting? I support giving ID cards for free, I support making voting day a national holiday or forcing it to be on a Saturday or Sunday when everyone is off. 79% of Americans surveyed by Gallup support voter ID: https://news.gallup.com/poll/403052/eight-americans-favor-early-voting-photo-laws.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/403052/eight-americans-favor-ea....
  - relaxing 2y ago
    > just forge a signature Hard to do in practice. Arouse any suspicion and now the authorities are contacting the real voter asking them why their signature doesn’t match and the jig is up. And you have to scale up 1000x to make an impact, which means conspiracy, which multiplies the likelihood of getting caught. No, despite what you’ve been told the way to rig an election is not at the ballot box. It’s a scheme to disenfranchise the poor who don’t drive, plain and simple. Voting holiday and a massive, ongoing, census-level government outreach to ensure everyone gets and maintains an ID would be fine, but of course the right wing legislatures don’t want that.