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> They are too deep, what do we do? Wait until they die? Yeah, you tried. Any more is probably energy wasted. > What about the generations they’re radicalizi
by danans 2y ago
> They are too deep, what do we do? Wait until they die?
Yeah, you tried. Any more is probably energy wasted.
> What about the generations they’re radicalizing after them?
Explain to them how oligarchs are burning the younger generation's security and quality of life to amass ever more wealth and power for themselves.
Help them see how this is happening to both them and the people of their generation on the opposite side of the surface political divide.
- righthand 2y agoI don’t disagree but do you have a hypothetical or real example of what that looks like? I am stumped from trying over the last 20 years. It is important to realize that there is a mythos to your parents. My Trump voting father also voted for Obama because he hated Bush for the wars. I originally thought he saw the Hope. Stuff like that keeps you seeking the non-existent Hope person. You’re negotiating with the subliminal-y terrorized.
- theultdev 2y ago[flagged]
- righthand 2y agoWait what? I’m asking about how you have a conversation with people who refuse to discuss their point of view. It’s me? I don’t know what you mean by that. Are you saying I’m in denial about my perspectives? I never advocated that an election was stolen or that Biden or Trump did nothing during their terms like my parents have. I am the one in denial? Can you point out this different perspective. A lot of commentary after the election was that “there’s a lesson to be learned here” and I hear that a lot from Trumpers. What is this lesson I need to learn about lying and hating? Why am I expected to take the lying side seriously? Won’t the answers be more lies?
- theultdev 2y agoJust know that millions have his same opinions. You don't think there's any truth in the middle between your perspective and theirs? I probably share many of your father's opinions. Even though he cannot articulate his political feelings doesn't mean he's wrong. If you would like to discuss and learn more from the other side, pick a single topic I'll oblige.
- righthand 2y agoSee this what I don’t get, these opinions my father has are based on lies and bad data. So I’m just supposed to look the other way and shrug my shoulders? You’re allowed to have opinions and there is actual reality and history. You don’t get to just throw out ideas because you think the idea is wrong. Back up the wrongness with data so I can see what you are talking about.
- theultdev 2y agoAgain, please pick a topic to proceed so we can find out whose opinion reflects reality more. You'd be surprised how many lies and how much bad data you've fallen for.
- righthand 2y agoNo I’m not here to debate specific political topics, I’m here to question the unreasonable silence. The conversations that end in silence are not hostile or angry. I don’t think that reaction is healthy or reasonable to reaching consensus. You seem itching, however, please feel free to provide your own example of arguments where you think my father agrees and I am wrong if that is your perogative. This is the moving the goal post, I was referencing in my original comment.
- theultdev 2y agoI replied to answer the "unreasonable silence". Not debating topics you throw out (like illegal immigration) is how you get that silence. You marked it down as lies and now you refuse to dive into it.