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It's not just $200 tasks. For example, it's really good with producing music... Which would have cost several thousands of dollars before. E.g: suno.com I've b

It's not just $200 tasks. For example, it's really good with producing music... Which would have cost several thousands of dollars before. E.g: suno.com I've been recording short tunes on my low-quality $50 Ukulele (which I self-taught myself) and then getting Suno to turn it into full songs. The quality is better than anything I could possibly have produced. Even if I paid thousands of dollars to a professional, I could not get better quality than what I'm getting from Suno. I cannot tell that it's produced by AI. AI is surprisingly suitable for music. If I want lyrics, I type out the topic and underlying message of the song and the aesthetics I want (e.g. short lines, rhymes, etc...) inside Claude or ChatGPT and make it generate the lyrics. Also once you have the first draft of lyrics, you can make it refine them by telling it to rhyme in particular ways. For example, the first words of each sentence can rhyme with each other as well as the last word of each sentence and you can tell it to change the rhyme pattern each paragraph. It's amazing how it can keep the meaning of the lyrics the same but totally transform the sounds of it by swapping out words with synonyms. AI video capability is impressive but it can't get it all the way to a production-quality film. For music though, it definitely seems to be production-quality. Sometimes it takes a few attempts but it definitely seems to cross the 'professional' line regularly. Often, you don't need any tuning, trimming or intervention to the piece; it's just done.

glimshe 2y ago
Many people see AI as a replacement for the human, but current-gen AI is in my view a replacement for the hammer. It's a tool that needs to be wielded with skill for good results... And when that happens, the productivity can be truly amazing.
- jongjong 2y ago
  Agreed, I think music is one of the areas which it nails though (pun intended). The size of the human input can be very small and still produce very high quality output. I mean you can produce 0 input and fully automate it and it will still sound professional... Maybe it will lack a bit of creativity but typically only a professional would be able to know that. I think what Suno produces is often higher quality and more creative than what most modern pop stars produce... Just because the bar there happens to be quite low. If I listen to 80s music, I can see the creativity gap (at least relative to the AI's typical ouput)... But AI output is often superior to modern artists IMO.
  - bccdee 2y ago
    > Maybe it will lack a bit of creativity but typically only a professional would be able to know that. Judging by the examples on suno.com, no. All of these are noticeably sub-par. They're "professional" in the way that slapping a lens flair png on top of a photo makes the photo look "professional." > I think what Suno produces is often higher quality and more creative than what most modern pop stars produce Go listen to any song from Taylor Swift's latest album. I'm not a Swift fan, and I don't particularly enjoy her music, but she's the current face of pop music. Compare the texture of the instrumentation with anything produced by suno's model—it's night and day. I worry that the novelty of generative models that cater to their users' every whim will create a culture that is uninterested in anything challenging or new. Who would bother to look for good art when an endless fountain of bad art is right at our fingertips? For goodness' sake, you didn't even listen to a pop song before deciding that "most" modern pop artists are worse than "suno.com." I don't even like pop music, but that's just false on the face of it.
    - egypturnash 2y ago
      Really I think we may be a good ways towards that last paragraph just from algorithms designed to drown users in whatever content they have recently consumed. (I hate the term "content" because it's so associated with this sort of view, but it's exactly right here.)
    - jongjong 2y ago
      Taylor Swift did make a few good pieces but many of her songs are too similar to each other IMO. I can acknowledge that 'Blank Space' is very good even though it's not my favorite genre of music though. That said, I think there are a lot of great pieces that we've never heard of. Just because something isn't popular doesn't mean it's not great. Especially true nowadays when media is so centralized and people are drowning in content from a handful of celebrities; this is making it impossible for great pieces from non-celebrities to break through... We live in a time of information and intelligence explosion and at the same time total media monopolization; the best pieces will never be heard. Also, the best work of humanity of the coming century will be ignored.
suddenlybananas 2y ago
You maybe have just terrible taste in music.
- jongjong 2y ago
  I'm actually quite difficult with music and I don't like most music. Yet, considering those few pieces I do like, I like pieces from a variety of styles ranging from techno to classical music. My ability to appreciate a broad set of styles indicates that I am not culturally biased. The fact that I only like a very small % of popular songs indicates that I am demanding. The fact that I don't have any favorite artists indicates that I am not susceptible to cult of personality biases. The fact that I do not listen to niche music indicates that my tastes aren't contrarian; I like popular pieces which other people like but I just like a smaller subset. So based on this it would seem I have excellent taste.
immibis 2y ago
(obligatory "anecdote" regarding suno: https://www.immibis.com/ex509__immibis_uc13_shitmusic.mp3 https://www.immibis.com/ex509__immibis_uc13_shitmusic.mp3 )

glimshe 2y ago

Many people see AI as a replacement for the human, but current-gen AI is in my view a replacement for the hammer. It's a tool that needs to be wielded with skill for good results... And when that happens, the productivity can be truly amazing.

jongjong 2y ago
Agreed, I think music is one of the areas which it nails though (pun intended). The size of the human input can be very small and still produce very high quality output. I mean you can produce 0 input and fully automate it and it will still sound professional... Maybe it will lack a bit of creativity but typically only a professional would be able to know that. I think what Suno produces is often higher quality and more creative than what most modern pop stars produce... Just because the bar there happens to be quite low. If I listen to 80s music, I can see the creativity gap (at least relative to the AI's typical ouput)... But AI output is often superior to modern artists IMO.
- bccdee 2y ago
  > Maybe it will lack a bit of creativity but typically only a professional would be able to know that. Judging by the examples on suno.com, no. All of these are noticeably sub-par. They're "professional" in the way that slapping a lens flair png on top of a photo makes the photo look "professional." > I think what Suno produces is often higher quality and more creative than what most modern pop stars produce Go listen to any song from Taylor Swift's latest album. I'm not a Swift fan, and I don't particularly enjoy her music, but she's the current face of pop music. Compare the texture of the instrumentation with anything produced by suno's model—it's night and day. I worry that the novelty of generative models that cater to their users' every whim will create a culture that is uninterested in anything challenging or new. Who would bother to look for good art when an endless fountain of bad art is right at our fingertips? For goodness' sake, you didn't even listen to a pop song before deciding that "most" modern pop artists are worse than "suno.com." I don't even like pop music, but that's just false on the face of it.
  - egypturnash 2y ago
    Really I think we may be a good ways towards that last paragraph just from algorithms designed to drown users in whatever content they have recently consumed. (I hate the term "content" because it's so associated with this sort of view, but it's exactly right here.)
  - jongjong 2y ago
    Taylor Swift did make a few good pieces but many of her songs are too similar to each other IMO. I can acknowledge that 'Blank Space' is very good even though it's not my favorite genre of music though. That said, I think there are a lot of great pieces that we've never heard of. Just because something isn't popular doesn't mean it's not great. Especially true nowadays when media is so centralized and people are drowning in content from a handful of celebrities; this is making it impossible for great pieces from non-celebrities to break through... We live in a time of information and intelligence explosion and at the same time total media monopolization; the best pieces will never be heard. Also, the best work of humanity of the coming century will be ignored.

suddenlybananas 2y ago

You maybe have just terrible taste in music.

jongjong 2y ago
I'm actually quite difficult with music and I don't like most music. Yet, considering those few pieces I do like, I like pieces from a variety of styles ranging from techno to classical music. My ability to appreciate a broad set of styles indicates that I am not culturally biased. The fact that I only like a very small % of popular songs indicates that I am demanding. The fact that I don't have any favorite artists indicates that I am not susceptible to cult of personality biases. The fact that I do not listen to niche music indicates that my tastes aren't contrarian; I like popular pieces which other people like but I just like a smaller subset. So based on this it would seem I have excellent taste.

immibis 2y ago

(obligatory "anecdote" regarding suno: https://www.immibis.com/ex509__immibis_uc13_shitmusic.mp3 https://www.immibis.com/ex509__immibis_uc13_shitmusic.mp3 )