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Apple Wants a Whopping $2.5 Billion From Samsung in Patent Suit

26 points by stanleydrew 14y ago

mrich 14y ago
Apple is starting to exceed Oracle in ridiculousness. Let's hope a competent judge takes this case.
- taligent 14y ago
  Weird. I see Samsung and Google as being the ridiculous ones here. Abusing FRAND principles, withholding/destroying evidence, deliberately trying to confuse the jury, misleading judges that overscroll bouncing and other design patents are equivalent to standards essential patents when they clearly aren't.
  - nl 14y ago
    How do you see that? Genuine question - given that the linked article quotes a judge calling the whole dispute ridiculous, and the article calls it an almost laughable amount. I think the whole set of patent disputes is stupid, and this damage claim meets all the criteria to be called ridiculous. I mean... 2.5 BILLION DOLLARS!!!! There just is no way that any design patent is worth that.
  - chmod775 14y ago
    Clearly not the way they "should" handle this. But it is a way of dealing with a broken system that Apple is constantly abusing recently.
seivan 14y ago
I hope they get it. I mean I don't really feel bad at all for Samsung With stuff like; http://www.zdnet.com/blog/gadgetreviews/with-these-ipad-smart-cover-knock-offs-samsung-shows-why-apple-is-suing-it-updated/26308 http://www.zdnet.com/blog/gadgetreviews/with-these-ipad-smar... and http://www.macmixing.com/samsung-shamelessly-rips-off-the-mac-mini-amongst-many-other-stolen-designs/ http://www.macmixing.com/samsung-shamelessly-rips-off-the-ma... Amazing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nepotism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nepotism too, given the tablet covers where made by some top shots nephew. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Kun-hee#Nepotism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Kun-hee#Nepotism
- sanxiyn 14y ago
  Your accusation of nepotism is certainly correct, but I don't think that is relevant to the patent suit.
- nwmcsween 14y ago
  Does near religious following of a brand really cloud judgement so badly? Read the links you posted - the first was updated to the manufacturer not Samsung did it and the rest are slathered in cult following.
- kalleboo 14y ago
  > In this case, approval was not given to Anymode for the accessory to feature this official designation. We are working with Anymode to address this oversight and the product has already been removed from the Anymode sales website. The product has not been sold." Did you read your own link?
Craiggybear 14y ago
Apple has officially, unmistakeably and categorically jumped the shark.
rsynnott 14y ago
In the long run, this is actually less than Microsoft gets, of course. The MS patent deal is estimated at $15-25 per device. Last quarter, Samsung produced 50 million smartphones; at the lower rate at that run rate it would take under a year for the MS payment to exceed the speculative Apple one.
- spinchange 14y ago
  Goldman Sachs estimates Microsoft makes about 450M per year, or $3-6 per Android device sold.[1] There have been stories about them seeking royalties as high $15 per phone, but no evidence (that I know of) to support that they are getting anything close to that. It would be the highlight of their earnings if they were. [1] http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-09-29/tech/30216822_1_htc-microsoft-android-device http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-09-29/tech/30216822...
rplnt 14y ago
That's almost 15% of total Samsung's mobile division revenue from last year. That's just plainly ridiculous amount of money.
- tobylane 14y ago
  Consider if it's Apple's loss or Samsung's gain being valued here.

26 points by stanleydrew 14y ago

mrich 14y ago

Apple is starting to exceed Oracle in ridiculousness. Let's hope a competent judge takes this case.

taligent 14y ago
Weird. I see Samsung and Google as being the ridiculous ones here. Abusing FRAND principles, withholding/destroying evidence, deliberately trying to confuse the jury, misleading judges that overscroll bouncing and other design patents are equivalent to standards essential patents when they clearly aren't.
- nl 14y ago
  How do you see that? Genuine question - given that the linked article quotes a judge calling the whole dispute ridiculous, and the article calls it an almost laughable amount. I think the whole set of patent disputes is stupid, and this damage claim meets all the criteria to be called ridiculous. I mean... 2.5 BILLION DOLLARS!!!! There just is no way that any design patent is worth that.
- chmod775 14y ago
  Clearly not the way they "should" handle this. But it is a way of dealing with a broken system that Apple is constantly abusing recently.

seivan 14y ago

I hope they get it. I mean I don't really feel bad at all for Samsung With stuff like; http://www.zdnet.com/blog/gadgetreviews/with-these-ipad-smart-cover-knock-offs-samsung-shows-why-apple-is-suing-it-updated/26308 http://www.zdnet.com/blog/gadgetreviews/with-these-ipad-smar... and http://www.macmixing.com/samsung-shamelessly-rips-off-the-mac-mini-amongst-many-other-stolen-designs/ http://www.macmixing.com/samsung-shamelessly-rips-off-the-ma... Amazing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nepotism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nepotism too, given the tablet covers where made by some top shots nephew. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Kun-hee#Nepotism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Kun-hee#Nepotism

sanxiyn 14y ago
Your accusation of nepotism is certainly correct, but I don't think that is relevant to the patent suit.
nwmcsween 14y ago
Does near religious following of a brand really cloud judgement so badly? Read the links you posted - the first was updated to the manufacturer not Samsung did it and the rest are slathered in cult following.
kalleboo 14y ago
> In this case, approval was not given to Anymode for the accessory to feature this official designation. We are working with Anymode to address this oversight and the product has already been removed from the Anymode sales website. The product has not been sold." Did you read your own link?

Craiggybear 14y ago

Apple has officially, unmistakeably and categorically jumped the shark.

rsynnott 14y ago

In the long run, this is actually less than Microsoft gets, of course. The MS patent deal is estimated at $15-25 per device. Last quarter, Samsung produced 50 million smartphones; at the lower rate at that run rate it would take under a year for the MS payment to exceed the speculative Apple one.

spinchange 14y ago
Goldman Sachs estimates Microsoft makes about 450M per year, or $3-6 per Android device sold.[1] There have been stories about them seeking royalties as high $15 per phone, but no evidence (that I know of) to support that they are getting anything close to that. It would be the highlight of their earnings if they were. [1] http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-09-29/tech/30216822_1_htc-microsoft-android-device http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-09-29/tech/30216822...

rplnt 14y ago

That's almost 15% of total Samsung's mobile division revenue from last year. That's just plainly ridiculous amount of money.

tobylane 14y ago
Consider if it's Apple's loss or Samsung's gain being valued here.