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Follow up story: Trump’s emergency water order responsible for water dump from Tulare County lakes https://sjvwater.org/trumps-emergency-water-order-responsibl

Follow up story: Trump’s emergency water order responsible for water dump from Tulare County lakes https://sjvwater.org/trumps-emergency-water-order-responsible-for-water-dump-from-tulare-county-lakes/ https://sjvwater.org/trumps-emergency-water-order-responsibl...

Terr_ 2y ago
> Tulare County water managers were perplexed and frustrated, noting both physical and legal barriers that make it virtually impossible for Tulare County river water to be used for southern California fires. So... Trump just wanted Hugest Most Beautiful Water Moving Numbers so he could brag to his supporters, and he ordered it done no matter how useless or harmful it would be? Oof. I'm remembering that 2018 letter [0] where some anonymous staff sought sympathy from the American public for their unsung work keeping Trump from Doing Something Crooked. (I still feel they were actually making it worse in the long run.) [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_Part_of_the_Resistance_Inside_the_Trump_Administration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_Part_of_the_Resistance_In...
- mikeyouse 2y ago
  This is going to be so much worse than the first term. It's only been 11 days and just nonstop chaos already, except the 'sensible' Republicans don't seem to care any more.
  - 9283409232 2y ago
    There are no sensible Republicans. They are all complicit. Even for the Democrats, it feels like Bernie, AOC, and Haskins are the only ones really fighting in Congress.
    - noirbot 2y ago
      And Bernie last week was out there going "I'm ready to work with Elon Musk to help working families as he cuts government spending". Legitimately, pitching Republicans on how they're ceding all their power and ruining their economic future may be more effective at this point.
      - idle_zealot 2y ago
        Bernie always does this. "I'm prepared to work with ${PERSON/GROUP} as they work to do ${POSITIVE-SOUNDING THING THEY CLAIM THEY'RE WORKING ON BUT WHICH HE KNOWS IS ACTUALLY A LIE OR EUPHEMISM}, also Medicare For All." I assume it's so that his enemies can't accuse him of being obstinate or unwilling to cooperate with plans to do ${POSITIVE THING}.
- userbinator 2y ago
  noting both physical and legal barriers that make it virtually impossible for Tulare County river water to be used for southern California fires. Trump doesn't care about legal barriers, but he may be a little more convinced about physical ones.
  - sangnoir 2y ago
    > [...] but he may be a little more convinced about physical ones. He thought raking forests would prevent fires. His off-the-cuff solution to physical barriers would be long hoses and a bunch of water pumps.
- Dalewyn 2y ago
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  - HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
    What you purpose sounds like unitary theory, which is a scary and absolutely not good practice. Boring career government staff with no personal loyalties are essential in democratic government.
    - Dalewyn 2y ago
      The problem is when the "career government staff" subverts democracy. This should be a problem that all sides of the political spectrum can agree on.
      - HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
        We'll cross that bridge when and if it comes. Until then, let's focus on the individuals actually subverting democracy and not the everyday people trying to uphold it.
- anigbrowl 2y ago
  Yes. He tweeted a photograph of some flowing water earlier and took credit for it, and of course an army of sycophants marveled over the quality of his new outfit.
Chris2048 2y ago
> The reservoir may belong to the federal government, but the water is ours So, what are the rules regarding water ownership?
- jpollock 2y ago
  https://www.waterboards.ca.gov/waterrights/board_info/faqs.html https://www.waterboards.ca.gov/waterrights/board_info/faqs.h... It wasn't until 2012 that you were allowed to capture RAIN that fell on your roof. https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201120120AB1750 https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml...
  - prawn 2y ago
    Was there a period earlier in Californian history where it was the norm, or has it always been discouraged? In South Australia which is similarly dry to parts of California, newly built houses are required to have rainwater tanks installed and plumbed to the house (e.g., to flush a toilet, for example).
    - jpollock 2y ago
      I haven't studied it, other than knowing what I was allowed to do to a house I owned. :) A quick googling turns up: Americans have a long history of killing each other over water. That tends to result in very defined access rights. https://www.worldwater.org/conflict/list/ https://www.worldwater.org/conflict/list/ "Water violence in New Mexico over water rights" "Cattlemen fight Texan landowners for access to water and pasture" "Many are killed during the Johnson County Water War between competing cattle association over access to water resources and land" In popular culture: * Pale Rider - creek is dammed to force the miners off the land. * Yellowstone - creek is dammed to prevent the building of a subdivision. This might help explain a bit: https://www.npr.org/2013/06/15/192034094/rivers-run-through-controversies-over-who-owns-the-water https://www.npr.org/2013/06/15/192034094/rivers-run-through-...
  - daveguy 2y ago
    Do you have a reference for the legislation that originally required a permit, or is the bill you reference just a clarification to make explicit that a permit is not required? Seems like this bill is just a clarification and grants explicit permission for landscaping contractors to install rainwater catchment systems which they already had permission for hot tubs, patios, pools, and all the other things listed.

Terr_ 2y ago

> Tulare County water managers were perplexed and frustrated, noting both physical and legal barriers that make it virtually impossible for Tulare County river water to be used for southern California fires. So... Trump just wanted Hugest Most Beautiful Water Moving Numbers so he could brag to his supporters, and he ordered it done no matter how useless or harmful it would be? Oof. I'm remembering that 2018 letter [0] where some anonymous staff sought sympathy from the American public for their unsung work keeping Trump from Doing Something Crooked. (I still feel they were actually making it worse in the long run.) [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_Part_of_the_Resistance_Inside_the_Trump_Administration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_Part_of_the_Resistance_In...

mikeyouse 2y ago
This is going to be so much worse than the first term. It's only been 11 days and just nonstop chaos already, except the 'sensible' Republicans don't seem to care any more.
- 9283409232 2y ago
  There are no sensible Republicans. They are all complicit. Even for the Democrats, it feels like Bernie, AOC, and Haskins are the only ones really fighting in Congress.
  - noirbot 2y ago
    And Bernie last week was out there going "I'm ready to work with Elon Musk to help working families as he cuts government spending". Legitimately, pitching Republicans on how they're ceding all their power and ruining their economic future may be more effective at this point.
    - idle_zealot 2y ago
      Bernie always does this. "I'm prepared to work with ${PERSON/GROUP} as they work to do ${POSITIVE-SOUNDING THING THEY CLAIM THEY'RE WORKING ON BUT WHICH HE KNOWS IS ACTUALLY A LIE OR EUPHEMISM}, also Medicare For All." I assume it's so that his enemies can't accuse him of being obstinate or unwilling to cooperate with plans to do ${POSITIVE THING}.
userbinator 2y ago
noting both physical and legal barriers that make it virtually impossible for Tulare County river water to be used for southern California fires. Trump doesn't care about legal barriers, but he may be a little more convinced about physical ones.
- sangnoir 2y ago
  > [...] but he may be a little more convinced about physical ones. He thought raking forests would prevent fires. His off-the-cuff solution to physical barriers would be long hoses and a bunch of water pumps.
Dalewyn 2y ago
[flagged]
- HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
  What you purpose sounds like unitary theory, which is a scary and absolutely not good practice. Boring career government staff with no personal loyalties are essential in democratic government.
  - Dalewyn 2y ago
    The problem is when the "career government staff" subverts democracy. This should be a problem that all sides of the political spectrum can agree on.
    - HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
      We'll cross that bridge when and if it comes. Until then, let's focus on the individuals actually subverting democracy and not the everyday people trying to uphold it.
anigbrowl 2y ago
Yes. He tweeted a photograph of some flowing water earlier and took credit for it, and of course an army of sycophants marveled over the quality of his new outfit.

Chris2048 2y ago

> The reservoir may belong to the federal government, but the water is ours So, what are the rules regarding water ownership?

jpollock 2y ago
https://www.waterboards.ca.gov/waterrights/board_info/faqs.html https://www.waterboards.ca.gov/waterrights/board_info/faqs.h... It wasn't until 2012 that you were allowed to capture RAIN that fell on your roof. https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201120120AB1750 https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml...
- prawn 2y ago
  Was there a period earlier in Californian history where it was the norm, or has it always been discouraged? In South Australia which is similarly dry to parts of California, newly built houses are required to have rainwater tanks installed and plumbed to the house (e.g., to flush a toilet, for example).
  - jpollock 2y ago
    I haven't studied it, other than knowing what I was allowed to do to a house I owned. :) A quick googling turns up: Americans have a long history of killing each other over water. That tends to result in very defined access rights. https://www.worldwater.org/conflict/list/ https://www.worldwater.org/conflict/list/ "Water violence in New Mexico over water rights" "Cattlemen fight Texan landowners for access to water and pasture" "Many are killed during the Johnson County Water War between competing cattle association over access to water resources and land" In popular culture: * Pale Rider - creek is dammed to force the miners off the land. * Yellowstone - creek is dammed to prevent the building of a subdivision. This might help explain a bit: https://www.npr.org/2013/06/15/192034094/rivers-run-through-controversies-over-who-owns-the-water https://www.npr.org/2013/06/15/192034094/rivers-run-through-...
- daveguy 2y ago
  Do you have a reference for the legislation that originally required a permit, or is the bill you reference just a clarification to make explicit that a permit is not required? Seems like this bill is just a clarification and grants explicit permission for landscaping contractors to install rainwater catchment systems which they already had permission for hot tubs, patios, pools, and all the other things listed.