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> and immigrants (many of whom without which Germany would be in further crisis). Unlike many other countries, Denmark tracked statistics based on immigration

> and immigrants (many of whom without which Germany would be in further crisis). Unlike many other countries, Denmark tracked statistics based on immigration status and origin, and found non-Western immigrants to be economically a net-negative: https://inquisitivebird.xyz/p/the-effects-of-immigration-in-denmark https://inquisitivebird.xyz/p/the-effects-of-immigration-in-... (includes link to official Danish govt. report)

Cumpiler69 2y ago
Publishing such findings would be racist in Germany.
aaplok 2y ago
People will, as always, interpret this Danish study in whichever way suits their ideological beliefs. However, let me point out that, ideology aside, it is possible for a population to both be a net fiscal negative and yet have a positive influence on the economy. An extreme instance of this is in slave societies. Slaves don't pay taxes and therefore are a net negative fiscally. Yet the taxes slave owners pay are largely drawn from slave labour and in fact the economy is essentially reliant on the slaves' work. Likewise, it is possible that immigrants take on low-skilled, low-paid jobs, which are essential to the economy despite not directly contributing fiscally. This then could free the natives to perform more lucrative jobs and thereby contribute more than if immigrants were not there.
tchalla 2y ago
In Germany and particularly in the East, immigrants bring in 5.8% of the gross domestic product in value. Without immigrants, the economy would decline and with them, it actually grew. https://www.iwkoeln.de/fileadmin/user_upload/Studien/Kurzberichte/PDF/2024/IW-Kurzbericht_2024-Ausl%C3%A4ndische-Besch%C3%A4ftigte.pdf https://www.iwkoeln.de/fileadmin/user_upload/Studien/Kurzber... > found non-Western immigrants to be economically a net-negative: Not really. Some non-Western countries do have positive contributions.
- like_any_other 2y ago
  > immigrants bring in 5.8% of the gross domestic product in value "As of 2019, around 13.7 million people living in Germany, or about 17% of the population, are first-generation immigrants." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Germany
  - tchalla 2y ago
    Your comment is not related to my comment even though you quoted it.
    - like_any_other 2y ago
      It is directly related. I'll let you figure out how.

Cumpiler69 2y ago

Publishing such findings would be racist in Germany.

aaplok 2y ago

People will, as always, interpret this Danish study in whichever way suits their ideological beliefs. However, let me point out that, ideology aside, it is possible for a population to both be a net fiscal negative and yet have a positive influence on the economy. An extreme instance of this is in slave societies. Slaves don't pay taxes and therefore are a net negative fiscally. Yet the taxes slave owners pay are largely drawn from slave labour and in fact the economy is essentially reliant on the slaves' work. Likewise, it is possible that immigrants take on low-skilled, low-paid jobs, which are essential to the economy despite not directly contributing fiscally. This then could free the natives to perform more lucrative jobs and thereby contribute more than if immigrants were not there.

tchalla 2y ago

In Germany and particularly in the East, immigrants bring in 5.8% of the gross domestic product in value. Without immigrants, the economy would decline and with them, it actually grew. https://www.iwkoeln.de/fileadmin/user_upload/Studien/Kurzberichte/PDF/2024/IW-Kurzbericht_2024-Ausl%C3%A4ndische-Besch%C3%A4ftigte.pdf https://www.iwkoeln.de/fileadmin/user_upload/Studien/Kurzber... > found non-Western immigrants to be economically a net-negative: Not really. Some non-Western countries do have positive contributions.

like_any_other 2y ago
> immigrants bring in 5.8% of the gross domestic product in value "As of 2019, around 13.7 million people living in Germany, or about 17% of the population, are first-generation immigrants." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Germany
- tchalla 2y ago
  Your comment is not related to my comment even though you quoted it.
  - like_any_other 2y ago
    It is directly related. I'll let you figure out how.