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Anybody got statistics on air crashes in the US so we can see if the anomaly is only in the attention the crashes receive and not the frequency at which they ar

by krunck 2y ago

Anybody got statistics on air crashes in the US so we can see if the anomaly is only in the attention the crashes receive and not the frequency at which they are happening?

angoragoats 2y ago
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- ceejayoz 2y ago
  No, the last one was in 2009. 16 year streak for US airlines. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/01/30/business/us-airlines-warnings-ahead-of-crash https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/01/30/business/us-airlines-warn... > US airlines had gone 16 years without a fatal crash until Wednesday night. There’ve been a few fatal incidents, but not crashes for the actual airlines.
  - angoragoats 2y ago
    Please read the link I posted instead of just saying “No.” Your article is specifically talking about commercial airline flights, but mine was talking about any passenger-carrying flight.
    - ceejayoz 2y ago
      Your post says “passenger airline crash”, and your link includes non-crash accidents. I also said quite a bit more than no, including a citation. A C-172 can carry passengers, but is not an airliner.
      - angoragoats 2y ago
        Thank you, I have updated my post to be clearer. In the future it’d be great if you’d give the information in this comment in your initial reply. Also, while I did clear up the wording, I stand by my original use of the word “airline,” as most if not all of these incidents (and certainly the most recent ones) were operated by commercial aircraft companies.
        ceejayoz 2y ago
        “Commercial aircraft” and “airline” remain different things. A cropduster is a commercial aircraft; it is not an airliner. Same for charter planes, sightseeing planes, etc. The FAA regulates airlines as “Regularly Scheduled Air Carriers” under Part 121. Stricter rules, and a remarkably stellar safety record as a result. I was sad to see the streak get broken.
        angoragoats 2y ago
        My dude, I (and the other poster you’re replying to) was using the term airline, entirely correctly, in the colloquial sense of the word.
      - mulmen 2y ago
        West Isle Air is an airline. The 2022 Mutiny Bay DHC-3 Otter crash [1] was carrying passengers. [1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Mutiny_Bay_DHC-3_Otter_crash https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Mutiny_Bay_DHC-3_Otter_...
        ceejayoz 2y ago
        No. https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/AIR2301.pdf https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/... Operating under Part 135, “charter type services”. https://www.faa.gov/hazmat/air_carriers/operations/part_135 https://www.faa.gov/hazmat/air_carriers/operations/part_135 Airlines are Part 121. https://www.faa.gov/hazmat/air_carriers/operations/part_121 https://www.faa.gov/hazmat/air_carriers/operations/part_121
    - chatmasta 2y ago
      He is doubling down on your point, lol. Surely it supports your argument that it’s been even longer since the last fatal crash.
      - angoragoats 2y ago
        I was not making an argument in my post, and I wanted to be clear that we were both correct but talking about different things.
  - loeg 2y ago
    Depends on if you're talking about the major airlines or just any charter flight ("Part 135"). Those crash much more frequently.
- duskwuff 2y ago
  In the interest of precision: those were the last fatal commercial aircraft accidents. Fatal aircraft crashes in private aircraft are more frequent.
jonas21 2y ago
Small planes crash all the time: https://asn.flightsafety.org/asndb/year/2025/1 https://asn.flightsafety.org/asndb/year/2025/1 Even if you only consider fatal crashes in the US, the last one before the DC incident was just this past Saturday. https://asn.flightsafety.org/wikibase/473308 https://asn.flightsafety.org/wikibase/473308
- cozzyd 2y ago
  I know small planes crash a lot, but I feel like small jets crashing is a bit more notable? Maybe just because there arent that many comparatively.
  - jonas21 2y ago
    I think the most recent small jet crash in the US was November 5: https://asn.flightsafety.org/wikibase/458776 https://asn.flightsafety.org/wikibase/458776

by krunck 2y ago

Anybody got statistics on air crashes in the US so we can see if the anomaly is only in the attention the crashes receive and not the frequency at which they are happening?

angoragoats 2y ago

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ceejayoz 2y ago
No, the last one was in 2009. 16 year streak for US airlines. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/01/30/business/us-airlines-warnings-ahead-of-crash https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/01/30/business/us-airlines-warn... > US airlines had gone 16 years without a fatal crash until Wednesday night. There’ve been a few fatal incidents, but not crashes for the actual airlines.
- angoragoats 2y ago
  Please read the link I posted instead of just saying “No.” Your article is specifically talking about commercial airline flights, but mine was talking about any passenger-carrying flight.
  - ceejayoz 2y ago
    Your post says “passenger airline crash”, and your link includes non-crash accidents. I also said quite a bit more than no, including a citation. A C-172 can carry passengers, but is not an airliner.
    - angoragoats 2y ago
      Thank you, I have updated my post to be clearer. In the future it’d be great if you’d give the information in this comment in your initial reply. Also, while I did clear up the wording, I stand by my original use of the word “airline,” as most if not all of these incidents (and certainly the most recent ones) were operated by commercial aircraft companies.
      - ceejayoz 2y ago
        “Commercial aircraft” and “airline” remain different things. A cropduster is a commercial aircraft; it is not an airliner. Same for charter planes, sightseeing planes, etc. The FAA regulates airlines as “Regularly Scheduled Air Carriers” under Part 121. Stricter rules, and a remarkably stellar safety record as a result. I was sad to see the streak get broken.
        angoragoats 2y ago
        My dude, I (and the other poster you’re replying to) was using the term airline, entirely correctly, in the colloquial sense of the word.
    - mulmen 2y ago
      West Isle Air is an airline. The 2022 Mutiny Bay DHC-3 Otter crash [1] was carrying passengers. [1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Mutiny_Bay_DHC-3_Otter_crash https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Mutiny_Bay_DHC-3_Otter_...
      - ceejayoz 2y ago
        No. https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/AIR2301.pdf https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/... Operating under Part 135, “charter type services”. https://www.faa.gov/hazmat/air_carriers/operations/part_135 https://www.faa.gov/hazmat/air_carriers/operations/part_135 Airlines are Part 121. https://www.faa.gov/hazmat/air_carriers/operations/part_121 https://www.faa.gov/hazmat/air_carriers/operations/part_121
  - chatmasta 2y ago
    He is doubling down on your point, lol. Surely it supports your argument that it’s been even longer since the last fatal crash.
    - angoragoats 2y ago
      I was not making an argument in my post, and I wanted to be clear that we were both correct but talking about different things.
- loeg 2y ago
  Depends on if you're talking about the major airlines or just any charter flight ("Part 135"). Those crash much more frequently.
duskwuff 2y ago
In the interest of precision: those were the last fatal commercial aircraft accidents. Fatal aircraft crashes in private aircraft are more frequent.

jonas21 2y ago

Small planes crash all the time: https://asn.flightsafety.org/asndb/year/2025/1 https://asn.flightsafety.org/asndb/year/2025/1 Even if you only consider fatal crashes in the US, the last one before the DC incident was just this past Saturday. https://asn.flightsafety.org/wikibase/473308 https://asn.flightsafety.org/wikibase/473308

cozzyd 2y ago
I know small planes crash a lot, but I feel like small jets crashing is a bit more notable? Maybe just because there arent that many comparatively.
- jonas21 2y ago
  I think the most recent small jet crash in the US was November 5: https://asn.flightsafety.org/wikibase/458776 https://asn.flightsafety.org/wikibase/458776