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Is the "useful AI" technology any different from this slop? If not then I fear that's wasted money as well. Which I think is the reason this stuff keeps getti

Is the "useful AI" technology any different from this slop? If not then I fear that's wasted money as well. Which I think is the reason this stuff keeps getting shoehorned in. They invested money in training and equipment all of which is depreciating far faster than it has returned value. I strongly doubt this "dichotomy AI" theory.

bobxmax 2y ago
That's demonstrably false unless you believe millions of people are spending their own money every month for useless tech. I don't know how a thinking person can use this technology and not see the possibilities it opens up.
- timewizard 2y ago
  > unless you believe millions of people are spending their own money every month for useless tech. Your premise is wrong. You assume these people are spending money creating useful output or would otherwise understand and be able to implement a more efficient means on their own. In the words of David Graeber a lot of people have bullshit jobs, are you sure the "AI" isn't alleviating some other problem for them? > and not see the possibilities it opens up. The current technology has no natural exponential growth curve. Which means for a linear increase in spending you get a linear increase in accuracy. Any thinking person should see where this is going. Which is why you should call these LLMs so you don't accidentally fool yourself. I mean, of course, when AGI does arrive and has a reasonable power budget, then we're talking. The current technology will never become this or anything like this. This will almost certainly lead to a new "AI winter" before AGI happens and will likewise almost certainly not occur during yours or my lifetime. If you do believe that then I have a self driving battery powered semi to sell you that's fully autonomous and will run road cargo trains for you all day and night for huge profits.
  - bobxmax 2y ago
    I don't know what the point of your rant was. Nobody is talking about AGI. Even if the technology never evolves again, it's still dramatically useful to the tune of billions and billions of dollars being spent on it.
- gloosx 2y ago
  >unless you believe millions of people are spending their own money every month for useless tech that's a hot take! A classic "Eat shit! A million flies can't be wrong.". really made me smile :) BILLIONS of people are spending their own money for useless tech, simply because they fear of missing out. Thinking person can see it is generating text from the input query – which is useful of course – but not dramatically useful
  - bobxmax 2y ago
    It's dramatically useful for millions of people who are now much more productive than they were 3 years ago, including the programmers who have 10x'd their output. Your superiority complex is nothing new... anytime new technology emerges, there's an old crochety class that thinks it's a fad. It's always people arrogant enough to believe they know the world better than everybody else. And no, billions of people aren't spending money on tech purely because of FOMO. That's just nonsense.
    - gloosx 2y ago
      You really like to shift things into personal attacks, huh? "It's dramatically useful for millions of people who are now much more productive than they were 3 years ago, including the programmers who have 10x'd their output." - anecdotally Your productivity cult is nothing new, anytime new quantity multiplier emerges, there's a freshman manager class like you who thinks quantity>quality. It is obvious from your comment since more productive and 10x output are the only things you praised there. It's always people arrogant enough to believe they are riding the right hype-train, and everybody else is left behind.
      - bobxmax 2y ago
        Lol okay buddy. That's why there are literally millions of people spending money every month and upgrading because of how useful this is. But there's always some big brained ape on hacker news who thinks they know better and everyone is just riding the hype train. Nearly half of Google engineers' outputs are coming from AI generated code, but you obviously know better than all of them.

bobxmax 2y ago

That's demonstrably false unless you believe millions of people are spending their own money every month for useless tech. I don't know how a thinking person can use this technology and not see the possibilities it opens up.

timewizard 2y ago
> unless you believe millions of people are spending their own money every month for useless tech. Your premise is wrong. You assume these people are spending money creating useful output or would otherwise understand and be able to implement a more efficient means on their own. In the words of David Graeber a lot of people have bullshit jobs, are you sure the "AI" isn't alleviating some other problem for them? > and not see the possibilities it opens up. The current technology has no natural exponential growth curve. Which means for a linear increase in spending you get a linear increase in accuracy. Any thinking person should see where this is going. Which is why you should call these LLMs so you don't accidentally fool yourself. I mean, of course, when AGI does arrive and has a reasonable power budget, then we're talking. The current technology will never become this or anything like this. This will almost certainly lead to a new "AI winter" before AGI happens and will likewise almost certainly not occur during yours or my lifetime. If you do believe that then I have a self driving battery powered semi to sell you that's fully autonomous and will run road cargo trains for you all day and night for huge profits.
- bobxmax 2y ago
  I don't know what the point of your rant was. Nobody is talking about AGI. Even if the technology never evolves again, it's still dramatically useful to the tune of billions and billions of dollars being spent on it.
gloosx 2y ago
>unless you believe millions of people are spending their own money every month for useless tech that's a hot take! A classic "Eat shit! A million flies can't be wrong.". really made me smile :) BILLIONS of people are spending their own money for useless tech, simply because they fear of missing out. Thinking person can see it is generating text from the input query – which is useful of course – but not dramatically useful
- bobxmax 2y ago
  It's dramatically useful for millions of people who are now much more productive than they were 3 years ago, including the programmers who have 10x'd their output. Your superiority complex is nothing new... anytime new technology emerges, there's an old crochety class that thinks it's a fad. It's always people arrogant enough to believe they know the world better than everybody else. And no, billions of people aren't spending money on tech purely because of FOMO. That's just nonsense.
  - gloosx 2y ago
    You really like to shift things into personal attacks, huh? "It's dramatically useful for millions of people who are now much more productive than they were 3 years ago, including the programmers who have 10x'd their output." - anecdotally Your productivity cult is nothing new, anytime new quantity multiplier emerges, there's a freshman manager class like you who thinks quantity>quality. It is obvious from your comment since more productive and 10x output are the only things you praised there. It's always people arrogant enough to believe they are riding the right hype-train, and everybody else is left behind.
    - bobxmax 2y ago
      Lol okay buddy. That's why there are literally millions of people spending money every month and upgrading because of how useful this is. But there's always some big brained ape on hacker news who thinks they know better and everyone is just riding the hype train. Nearly half of Google engineers' outputs are coming from AI generated code, but you obviously know better than all of them.